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jedidiah

 

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Frontpage dilemma - 11/30/2007 18:39:33   
Hello everyone. I have Frontpage 2003 and its been a thorn in my side from day one. I perfected it finally for a 17 inch monitor, in which upon visitation, everything is where it should be, lined up and nice, now...19 inch monitor and the whole thing looks goofy, everything moves, and font is broken up, now..I just recently discovered this, feeling like a idiot because I thought is was fine. Is there a way to correct this so as to be able to keep all visionary fonts and or pictures lined up with scrolling over to the right or left, maybe further up and down, I should not have this issue. Funny, when testing it in Frontpage, its always shows up perfect in every browser, nothing like paying for a program with so many issues. If you are viewing from a 19 inch is will look funky, only 17 it looks presentable, who knows, Frontpage aggravates me so, any solutions?

Thank you
Sherri
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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 11/30/2007 22:51:25   
Link?

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 11/30/2007 23:12:20   
There certainly are things what you can do if you are doing it right. I suppose you are talking about the page you have in your profile.

It has nothing to do with monitor size rather than the resolution you are running on that monitor. If have looked at the site in your profile and it looks fairly good in all resolutions. You have a 100% width in your table. That will span everything across the monitor. Of course the images will move, but it doesn't look to bad after all.

The thing you are doing, designing in "office" and most probably just copying or saving from "office". You need to learn the html and web site stuff and don't rely what MS is putting out for you.

Again, yes you can make it the way you want to in the first place.

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/1/2007 7:35:57   
Looked at the site in your profile. Yup, you are using word or some other MS product (other than FP or EW) to create your site. Don't do that.

Getting way too much horizontal scrolling on my 800 res monitor. Photos add up to more than 800 pix causing that.

Also get rid of that no right mouse click script. It can easily be bypassed. It doesn't work in Firefox anyway so why use it? It will irritate those viewers that use the right mouse to do other things.

Also, spaces in your file names may cause you problems and look bad when viewed in the browser link bar with all those %20 symbols displayed.

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/1/2007 8:15:04   
Am I being thick? Where did you guys get the idea that the page had been created using Word? I can't see anything there that would indicate that.

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/1/2007 8:20:08   
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Some browsers not supported due to FrontPage 2003 limitations in which this web site is built, Sorry for the inconvenience!

If your monitor is a 19 inch or larger then pictures will not be centered, displayed properly.

Graphics may rotate or move dependant which version of Internet Explorer is being used, clear visuals and graphics displayed at best when resolutions are set at 1024 by 768.

Do not purchase FrontPage!


Sherri, I'm not a big FP fan and will diss it given the chance but in this case I have to stick up for it. None of that is the fault of FP. Unfortunately, as with most people who get their hands on a copy, you have just pushed buttons. Used properly FP will overcome all of those issues and there are a number of pros on here who can show you examples.

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/1/2007 13:35:22   
Where does this come from:

xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/1/2007 13:46:23   
Using shapes, text boxes etc. from the FP drawing toolbar.

Which, Sherri, is the main reason for the layout problems you're having. You shouldn't be laying out pages using the shape tools nor using Word Art for your text as other browsers don't have a clue what Word Art is and won't display it.

< Message edited by jaybee -- 12/1/2007 13:55:54 >


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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/1/2007 15:07:08   

Hey, I really appreciate the answers everyone. I know of this with the right clk, just a basic discouragement that I added long ago, I to can get around that so I do understnad that part that, yes it can be irritating. On that browser 20% stuff, thats what MS would give me in filing those photos, I dont have a choice, when I change it the order in MS changes and gives me a hard time to go so I just comply. Everything can be such a big deal in making your pages from BLANK page.

sherri sorry I did not add the URL
http://www.jedidiahsarts.com best located from Google search.

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/1/2007 15:10:58   
I'm not sure I follow you there.

The 20% in the names is because you are putting spaces in. You shouldn't do that as it can cause all sorts of problems. If you need to separate words in the name then use _ or - not space.

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/1/2007 15:12:20   
Ok, this what you ask, is in Frontpage automatically, now what I did is find this...<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

What you see above it what I changed, in hopes it would line up per browser, but it is as you say the resoluion, I still need to correct that, I am totally ignornant to HTML, to my dismay and leaning heavily on expertise I can get. To be hones I am consider buying Dreamweaver, it will cut my throat but I am willing to do that if I can build page by page and this dilemma not be, Can I? would it work there? or am I facing FP all over again?

Sherri

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jedidiah

 

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/1/2007 15:18:49   
Hey, thank you for the reply. I only used word art on one page I beleive, sometimes it displays most times not ( sigh ), so notice that most all fonts are just that, fonts and no word art, only 2 or 2 pages and you are correct on this, I just forgot to change those pages as I did the others. I dont remember using shape tools, I have however downloaded shape items and used them instead because using the shapes they give you will definately fly all over the pages. I did insert a Cell per page before using the BLANK PAGES, I say this because MS told me to use cells and nothing will move, ya like ducks, I have tightedn up those tables, I guess I can look at that again, I know they can change, well its depressing for someone like me, nothing like having a site you work so hard on and it looks like a baby built it, geez. I was very glad to stumble upon this site, So would Dreamweaver eliminate this issue? what about using <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML//EN//3.2"> Would this matter at all? well I am frustated, thank you all so much for your answers. I did look in here for some answers in likness to my situation.

Sherri

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jaybee

 

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/1/2007 15:26:19   
Noooooooooooooooooooo! You need to learn how to do a web page properly. Dreamweaver will just allow you to make the same mistakes but confuse the heck out of you into the bargain.

The Doctype isn't your problem. Your problem is using shapes, not understanding how to layout your page properly with tables and cells and how fixed/fluid widths and heights are applied.

The Doctype just tells the browser how you've written the page. It can have an effect at a much higher level but you need to get your page sorted before worrying about that. The Doctype you have looks a bit odd anyway.

http://www.outfront.net/

Go to that page, there are FP tutorials on there. Start by looking at "Getting started with FP"

It takes you through laying out a page properly with tables.
Until you understand this and the other basics, ignore all comments on here to do with CSS, Dreamweaver etc.

If you are using any doctype then it should be

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

The first one you posted above is for strictly coded XHTML and believe me Frontpage doesn't produce anything even remotely along those lines even in the hands of an expert.

The second one you posted doesn't exist or is so old it no longer applies.:)

< Message edited by jaybee -- 12/1/2007 15:47:44 >


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jedidiah

 

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/1/2007 16:32:50   
Hey Jaybee, thank you...ok I am heading into this link, what I did do since I posted last, opted to make all table cells 100 ( percent ) in width and height, currently my husband is back on that pc, I have two computers in my room, I have been trying to load my website onto Frontpage on my other pc, but had trouble with MS, letting me add it to another pc, you have no idea what I went through with these people trying to register this product, long story short, its on their, but now even with roxio my pc wont read that drive that the site is copied to, yet is works on a different pc, another long issue, I should not be having these inflated problems at all. Anyhoo, ok, ya I did the 100% H and W, but cant update it till husband is off to see if that helps. I am using the cells as you say, the entire htm is placed within a cell, then added cells with in when needed. Ok off to check out the URL, thank you on that. Also thats what I wanted to know, if Dreamweaver is just the basic bottom run of the mill program all over, which I am taking you at your word, yes,

Thanks a million, I will be back, hope not but probably.

Sherri

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jaybee

 

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/1/2007 16:39:34   
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if Dreamweaver is just the basic bottom run of the mill program all over, which I am taking you at your word, yes,
Errr no that's not what I said. Dreamweaver is a professional tool. If you're used to using FP then Dreamweaver will look like an alien invasion when you open it. There is a big learning curve with it. It's also very expensive. Get your site figured out using Frontpage first.

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jedidiah

 

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/1/2007 21:10:31   
Hey Jaybee, tell me this...is...cell...per cell have to be evened up? even so if a picture say jpeg is inserted, I noticed when I try to change the demenions on the picture that FP wont let me, as per say, the flowers o
n home page index.htm page I have. I can measure up the cell table properties, just not the pic, note pictures of flowers then me in the middle, it wont let me make the dimensions the same. Ok should each cell measure up evenly even so? if so I have lots to change, the table properites are 100% not so the cells.

Hey thanks a mill for answering.
Sherri

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RE: Frontpage dilemma - 12/2/2007 8:24:53   
Right click on the cell, in properties set the cells to % as well as the tables. Doesn't have to be 100% as that spreads them all the way across.

If you want 3 equal cells across the page them make them 33%.

If you want a bigger one in the middle for example make it 40% and the other two 30%.

Height can be whatever you want, you can even leave it blank to let it sort itself out.

Where you have to be careful is with pictures. If you set a cell to 10% and then put a wide picture into it, it will push the cell out. Pictures do not resize, they always stay the same so if you want a narrow pic then use a graphics package to adjust it before putting it on the page.

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