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Front Page Sites Look Different in Firefox - 1/6/2008 16:04:40
I create all my websites in MS Front Page 2003 and I have recently started using Firefox, but I am alarmed to find that my website look totally different in the FF browser than they do in Internet Explorer.
In Internet Explorer, my sites look as I designed them in FP
In FF, Fonts are miss sized, border mis-sized and mis-colored, and other differences as well.
Others looking at my sites through FF will just leave because they look bad.
I have spoken to a number of people who say FP generates junk code that is only readable by IE, while other browsers try to read the code properly....but can't. And that FP is the worst product to use to develop a website
How do I solve this problem, as it seem other browsers are becoming increasingly popular compared to the problem IE has.
--Glen
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RE: Front Page Sites Look Different in Firefox - 1/6/2008 16:21:21
May I should just upgrade to Expressions Web, export my sites from FP 2003 and into Expressions Web, and be done with the problem.
Anyone had experience with that and with data transfer as I explained?
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RE: Front Page Sites Look Different in Firefox - 1/6/2008 16:23:25
There are no easy fixes unfortunately. Learn the basics of HTML, always check your pages out with the W3C validator to ensure your code validates, and if it doesn't, fix it so it passes validation (which is why you need to know the basics of HTML). Don't rely on Frontpage to produce the code for you because you need to know how to fix it when it gets it wrong. I created my first site in FP2003 and I think that lasted about three weeks on the server before I arrived here and decided to learn HTML and totally re-do the site so it used valid code. I switched completely from WYSIWYG to hand-coding, and I've never gone back, but there is other software out there that's better than FP code-wise. Nvu is a free programme that has a WYSIWYG interface and a code view, or there are various text-editors that give you varied amounts of assistance in coding and some also have a preview built in - Topstyle, HTML-Kit, Notepad++, Araneae, and my favourite and the one I'm using at the moment is PSPad (as recommended by Tailslide  ) but there are loads of others too.
The golden rule is to always design for Firefox - if it works in Firefox it'll work in pretty much everything else - and then tweak as necessary for Internet Explorer to take account of the bits of the HTML specs that IE gets wrong and deals with just how it likes.
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RE: Front Page Sites Look Different in Firefox - 1/19/2008 5:06:49
redirect according to browser type, you can find a javascript browser detector script on the net and then if your code is that bad just make your pages only avail. to be browsed using ie
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RE: Front Page Sites Look Different in Firefox - 1/19/2008 5:29:33
"redirect according to browser type, you can find a javascript browser detector script on the net and then if your code is that bad just make your pages only avail. to be browsed using ie"
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er, womble i'll let you answer that one :)
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RE: Front Page Sites Look Different in Firefox - 1/19/2008 7:53:56
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ORIGINAL: codenamebill26
redirect according to browser type, you can find a javascript browser detector script on the net and then if your code is that bad just make your pages only avail. to be browsed using ie
For a start that's slightly unfortunate for all those people who happen to be using the more modern browsers that won't display the page the same as older or just plain old-fashioned ones like IE does. It's actually infuriating - having come across this myself.
Secondly it won't work as many browsers disguise themselves as another browser - Opera does this pretty regularly - so the script won't actually be able to do it's job properly anyway.
Thirdly it won't work with JS switched off anyway.
Much better, if you're going to use FP or any WYSIWYG editor - use it properly and check your code as you go along in various browsers plus ensure that you're using valid code to help make browsers' lives easier.
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RE: Front Page Sites Look Different in Firefox - 1/19/2008 8:18:04
and there's a big difference betweem IE7 and IE6 too, though sadly still not enough :)
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RE: Front Page Sites Look Different in Firefox - 1/20/2008 12:47:21
2 or 3 simple (in retrospect) solutions worked for me - regarding IE's - consistently inconsistent code interpretations. Here's a bit of a list:
I purchased EW and now use BOTH EW and FP
EW Teaches you to be a better coder. Period!
Use .CSS all the time
This line in a css file solved about 70% of my problems: * {margin: 0; padding: 0;}
This line solved 10% of my problems: img {border: 0;}
Another 12% with this inliner: <form style="padding-bottom: 0".............
I still have a few issues but.....those steps above were miracle cures for me coding with FP and EW
HTH
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RE: Front Page Sites Look Different in Firefox - 1/22/2008 1:01:32
My daughter's has an internet radio station. She added a scrolling marque on her programming page and tested it in all the browsers...everything looked fine in all the browsers except Opera . The marque went crazy in Opera and she never could get it fixed so she just added to the bottom of her pages..not totally compatible in all browsers...still getting the same amount of hits with Opera users.
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