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jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	If your PHP includes suddenly stop working - 3/16/2008 19:28:00 Check to see if your host has just upgraded to PHP5. This has happened to me a number of times in the past 3 months on different hosts. Pages suddenly start coming up with included bits missing for no obvious reason. PHP5 either allows your host to disable URL or, it opens or installs that way as standard. Can't work out which as the hosts don't seem to have a clue. So if your include uses an absolute path http://www.xxxxx.ccc then you need to change it to relative. Do not start the relative address with a / though. It works in PHP4 but not 5. < Message edited by jaybee -- 3/17/2008 8:41:53 > _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype?


treetopsranch Posts: 1141 From: Cottage Grove, OR, USA Status: offline	RE: If your PHP includes suddenly stop working - 3/16/2008 21:20:51 Thanks for the heads up on that one. I have one host that is always doing something with their servers without notifying me first. _____________________________ Don from TreeTops Ranch, Oregon "I've got a taste for quality and luxury" (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: If your PHP includes suddenly stop working - 3/17/2008 8:40:55 They just don't get it that on some sites you don't need to keep logging in to the cpanel so posting upgrade messages in there is pointless. I've asked all of them why they can't just send out an email. Seems it's too much trouble. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to treetopsranch)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: If your PHP includes suddenly stop working - 3/17/2008 16:12:46 OK, after hours of research and banging my head on the desk, stupid here finally fell in. I can only put it down to too many sites to fix in a panic. if you're using for example <?php include("/includes/header.htm"); ?> or <?php include("http://www.yoursite.com/includes/header.htm"); ?> this is when the trouble starts with PHP5. Using HTTP no longer works. Specifying the root by using / doesn't work. If the files are in the root then includes/header.htm does work but not if it's in a sub folder. You end up having to do the ../../ for pages in those which is a pain. Or you can specify the full path, such as: <?php include("home/var/www/root/html/includes/header.htm"); ?> which is fine if you intend keeping your site on that host and they don't suddenly move you to a new server with a different config. So if you were using /includes/xxxxx.xxx on any page at any level , instead use <?php include($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT']."/includes/header.htm"); ?> < Message edited by jaybee -- 3/17/2008 16:20:30 > _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to jaybee)


BobbyDouglas Posts: 5470 Joined: 5/15/2003 From: Arizona Status: offline	RE: If your PHP includes suddenly stop working - 3/17/2008 17:05:12 What hosts are you using that doesn't notify you about these major changes? PHP5 breaks many outdated programs. If programmers have kept the software up to date, a switch to PHP5 should work without any problems. As far as the includes go, I don't believe PHP 5 did any major changes to the way includes were handled. Here's a php4 and php5 example that shows that you can using http:// for an include. Sounds like your host may not have properly configured php 5... Might want to verify that they have setup allow_url_include in the php.ini file, I think that is a common mistake when setting up php5. http://php5test.rp-s.com/phptest4/ and http://php5test.rp-s.com/phptest5/ I've uploaded the phpinfo for both of the folders. _____________________________ Arizona Web Design - Mr Bobs Web Design in Arizona The Arizona Web Hosting Challenge (in reply to jaybee)

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RE: If your PHP includes suddenly stop working - 3/17/2008 17:05:49

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ORIGINAL: jaybee

They just don't get it that on some sites you don't need to keep logging in to the cpanel so posting upgrade messages in there is pointless. I've asked all of them why they can't just send out an email. Seems it's too much trouble.

Yeah, I've got a host like that who expects me to be telepathic and know when I need to check the cPanel for messages!

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Using HTTP no longer works.

Damn! An awful lot of mine do use HTTP IIRC.

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BobbyDouglas Posts: 5470 Joined: 5/15/2003 From: Arizona Status: offline	RE: If your PHP includes suddenly stop working - 3/17/2008 17:07:51 Also, you may be able to fix this yourself if your host won't help.. Put the following inside your .htaccess file: allow_url_include On _____________________________ Arizona Web Design - Mr Bobs Web Design in Arizona The Arizona Web Hosting Challenge (in reply to BobbyDouglas)


womble Posts: 5702 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: If your PHP includes suddenly stop working - 3/17/2008 17:14:49 I'll give that a try Bobby - thanks. It's not a lot of my sites that are affected I don't think. The main one I use upgraded a couple of months ago and did let me know and I've had no problems with that, but the host I have my nephew's site on which does use a lot of includes is a PITA. I only use them because they're very cheap, and as it's only for his personal site I didn't want to be paying out huge amounts. (He's only 9 yrs old, so he 'pays' me for doing the site for him in sweets ) _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to BobbyDouglas)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: If your PHP includes suddenly stop working - 3/17/2008 18:39:24 Unfortunately, this host is trying to keep the server speed up by refusing to allow http. It clobbered some of my includes and Mike Cherim's form now tells me I'm a spam bot. Sigh. Luckily, the change I gave above works and should work on all hosts. Mike also has a new version of his form that gets around the false accusations. I had been using /includes/filename.htm. All my pages are htm and parsed as php using htaccess. They just stopped working. If I took off the / then it would work as long as the calling program was in the root. If it was in a subfolder then I had to use ../includes I can't change anything on this host. Heck they won't even let me add sub domains. Hence the reason I now have a shiny new reseller account that will be getting used with a vengence as soon as I figure out the instruction manual. The other hosts it happened on, I just shouted loudly at them for a day or so and they fixed it but this is 3 hosts in 3 months. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to womble)

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RE: If your PHP includes suddenly stop working - 3/17/2008 19:06:54

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I can't change anything on this host.

- They won't even allow you to change it via htaccess?

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they fixed it but this is 3 hosts in 3 months.

- Sounds like one of those cheapo hosts

Care to post their company names?

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Unfortunately, this host is trying to keep the server speed up by refusing to allow http.

- Properly configured, non-overloaded servers, should have no issues at all with this normal configuration.

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jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: If your PHP includes suddenly stop working - 3/17/2008 22:47:27 This particular one is a very cheap host and to be fair, no, I don't want to post their name as for basic sites they are extremely good. It's only when you start to get clever that you come up against a wall but you can't expect much else for $20 a year. The reason I got completely wound up is because, unfortunately for them, they were the third host to do the php switch and clobber my includes. Serverfly were the first and some very large client sites went belly up much to my horror. What didn't help was they were on different servers and Serverfly did the migrations one at a time so as soon as I had one sorted then another one went. Just to turn the knife a bit more, they then decided to move the first site I fixed to another server and screwed it all up again. They did this just as the second host installed PHP5 so I had another load to sort out. This last lot just had reeeeeally bad timing. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to BobbyDouglas)


BobbyDouglas Posts: 5470 Joined: 5/15/2003 From: Arizona Status: offline	RE: If your PHP includes suddenly stop working - 3/18/2008 0:17:49 Did you try that htaccess code? The php5 upgrades sure aren't fun to deal with We're looking at adding a custom switcher that allows clients to switch between php4/php5 versions directly via cPanel. I think this should be standard. Lots of old programs are still running perfectly fine on php4. Our current e-mail program doesn't run on php5. We have to upgrade to their new version, which is completely different from the previous version, and changes the entire license scheme. We're currently looking to handle our e-mail some other way. We might move over to Exchange for our company e-mail, but would rather stick with all of the anti-spam stuff we have with our linux based mail server. _____________________________ Arizona Web Design - Mr Bobs Web Design in Arizona The Arizona Web Hosting Challenge (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: If your PHP includes suddenly stop working - 3/18/2008 6:40:55 They have it set up so that certain things in htaccess get automatically commented out. It was driving me nuts, couldn't figure out why the comments kept appearing. It's not a problem now that I've finally put my brain in gear and changed the include to use the PHP server Document Root which is really what I should have used in the first place. The form should be OK too as the new version checks for bots differently. Plus, the whole shebang will be moving to my new host pretty soon anyway. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to BobbyDouglas)

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