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Unata -> Site About Dogs (4/7/2008 6:33:29)

Please, review my site http://dogbreeds.ucoz.com

There is not much information yet, but I'll be very grateful for any suggestions and opinions about the design and content.

Many thanks.



treetopsranch -> RE: Site About Dogs (4/7/2008 12:01:36)

Do they have all of those breeds in the Ukraine?



JustinH -> RE: Site About Dogs (4/7/2008 12:52:47)

I like the design a lot.

There is nothing wrong, just some opinions. Under 'Breed Profiles', for each dog picture there is a brown line to the left and a green line underneath. In my opinion the green line does not fit and maybe something more toned down would be better.

Secondly, I'm not sure if you really need a link to a login form as you already have one that is very apparent on the left menu. With regards to registration I'd make the grey seperation bars the brown color you are using on the border, also maybe consider making the input boxes slightly smaller?

Really these suggestions are minimal as what you have is very well put together.



leonsquare -> RE: Site About Dogs (4/7/2008 14:17:37)

Lovely site, I like it.

But, I think maybe it is better to make it easier to distinguish the site sections, by line, by color, by area, ...

Just for your information.



Unata -> RE: Site About Dogs (4/10/2008 6:58:46)

Thanks a lot! I'm just learning and not good at design yet, have a lot to do. Thanks again for your suggestions!

treetopsranch, this site is not only for Ukrainians, in that case it would be in Ukrainian or Russian language.



jaybee -> RE: Site About Dogs (4/10/2008 8:07:19)

You're using UcoZ and it produces the usual invalid site, no Doctype, html errors all over the place, CSS errors, table based layout, definition lists used incorrectly for the login area.

Whilst this may not be of much concern to you now I'll be interested to see what happens as browsers become more standards based. If it is of concern then take a look at Joomla 1.5



Unata -> RE: Site About Dogs (4/10/2008 10:37:23)

jaybee, try to debug google.com and you'll see CSS warning even at that one. In any case, UcoZ gives full access to HTML code of templates, so everybody can add Doctype, get rid of "tables" construction and so on. If you traced the history of browsers development and updating you would see that they become less and less standards based and become more universal.



jaybee -> RE: Site About Dogs (4/10/2008 11:28:05)

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ORIGINAL: Unata

jaybee, try to debug google.com and you'll see CSS warning


Yes, warnings, yours has errors. Two completely different things.

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If you traced the history of browsers development and updating you would see that they become less and less standards based and become more universal.


Perhaps you should take a close look at the standards requirements for IE8

As to allowing people to hack the code and add Doctypes etc, the whole point of a CMS is that they can plug and play. As the presumed developer and/or advertiser of UcoZ, why wouldn't you just put it in there in the first place?



Unata -> RE: Site About Dogs (4/11/2008 4:11:34)

Look at this page errors and warnings http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/News_Publishing/index.html

Table based structure, CSS, HTML, Javascript errors.

But in spite of this, the page has correct view in all main browsers (IE, FireFox, Opera ...) and visitors of this the most popular project for webmasters have no problems working with it.

We'll see what popularity IE8 will have if millions sites are viewed incorrectly in it.

And you must try ucoz before comparing it with another CMS.

Just view this page in IE8- http://www.acidtests.org/



Tailslide -> RE: Site About Dogs (4/11/2008 4:38:05)

Hotscripts probably has a team of people who will be able to fix their layout if it breaks in IE8 - do you?

Many many people will be upgraded to IE8 automatically as they were with IE7. They won't have a choice.



d a v e -> RE: Site About Dogs (4/11/2008 5:45:26)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Unata

If you traced the history of browsers development and updating you would see that they become less and less standards based and become more universal.


erm. no they don't



jaybee -> RE: Site About Dogs (4/11/2008 6:57:50)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Unata

Look at this page errors and warnings http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/News_Publishing/index.html

Table based structure, CSS, HTML, Javascript errors.

But in spite of this, the page has correct view in all main browsers (IE, FireFox, Opera ...) and visitors of this the most popular project for webmasters have no problems working with it.

We'll see what popularity IE8 will have if millions sites are viewed incorrectly in it.

And you must try ucoz before comparing it with another CMS.

Just view this page in IE8- http://www.acidtests.org/


It is possible to pick thousands of sites that fail basic checks, that doesn't mean that you have to do all your sites to compete with them to be the lowest common denominator. If you read that bit about IE8 properly you'll have seen that MS are setting up IE8 the way they are to avoid legal ramifications.

There are many countries now, particularly the UK and Europe, where it's a legal requirement to have a business site that complies with WCAG. If your CMS doesn't cut it then people either won't use it or you'll start getting thousands of requests for you to fix it. Why not just do it from word go?

When looking for any OS software, even more so for paid software, my first check is whether it produces valid semantic code. If it doesn't then I won't look any further.

If you are trying to push a CMS that is in competition with all the other CMS out there, especially some of the big boys such as the latest Joomla, Drupal etc then yours needs to have something different to recommend it. Valid semantic code would be a good place to start.



anderskorte -> RE: Site About Dogs (5/13/2008 9:21:24)

I'm a typomaniac, sorry. The design is great, but I would still fine tune it a little.

You use CSS, which is great, so all these should be easily applicable.

1) Put just a little more line-height to the body text. You can decrease the font-size a little if you don't want it to take more room. This would add some more breathing space in and around the paragraphs.

2) To the navigation menus (all the light-on-brown ones), add just a little letter-spacing. Apply it in pixels, even 1px would be fine. Try it, looks better.

3) Have the ”Dog Breeds” main title be something else than Verdana. It's not intented for headings (if you think I'm nit-picking, ask Matthew Carter). Tahoma is another no-no. Arial and Times are good. Georgia is something in between.



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