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JefD -> help w/just published web site (4/26/2008 15:39:23)

hi everybody, i just developed a new one page site, pretty basic and straightforward. i was wondering if i could get some feedback as far as designs flaws or maybe ways to improve overall appearance? the comments i've gotten so far seem to fall in 2 categories: 1) some text i have in a particular cell seems to run together, with the latter letters of one word overlapping the beginning letters of the next word in the sentence. i don't know why this would happen since it's just simple text. and 2) the last letter of several words that run all the way to the right margin of a cell or table are being cut off. i saw this happening before, it seemed to be because the letters were italicized and overlapped on to the cell border. so i made the border zero wide in some cases and that seemed to fix it. but apparently not. also, i used "latha" as the primary font. it seems popular enough that most people would have it on their systems but maybe not? i used it to convey a sense of style to the site because of the content. i would appreciate any comments anybody has in these three areas and anything else that might be obviously flawed. thank you very much! the url is www stainedconcretechicago com



Tailslide -> RE: help w/just published web site (4/26/2008 16:02:58)

I don't have Latha on any of my systems - it's always wise to stick to the standard fonts or at least use CSS to offer an alternative. I'm seeing my browser default - Times New Roman. It's also italic which is hard to read and should (imo) generally be avoided for large chunks of text.

You're right, a lot of the text is running together and it runs over the images if I increase the text size in my browser.

There's a lot of this in there:

<!-- MSTableType="layout" -->

Did you use Word or Publisher or any other non-web design programme to put the site together?



JefD -> RE: help w/just published web site (4/26/2008 16:14:06)

no, i just used front page. a lot of cells and tables. what do you suggest i do? some starters? i guess i'll look for another font. but how do i resolve the picture issues? i used right wrap for the ones on the right margin.

also, is it possible to keep latha and specify a backup font for users that may not have it? what is css?

btw, i was just experimenting and it seems bold italic latha is the same as bold italic times new roman. would times new roman be kept as bold italic, while latha would revert to something else. or would latha revert to times new roman so that i don't even need to make the change?

thank you.



treetopsranch -> RE: help w/just published web site (4/26/2008 20:14:02)

Tailslide...

When one uses the table layout wizard on the right hand side of the FP screen it will generate that <!-- MSTableType="layout" --> stuff.



jaybee -> RE: help w/just published web site (4/26/2008 20:42:27)

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is it possible to keep latha and specify a backup font for users that may not have it? what is css?
Yes it is possible to specify a backup font but you would have to change a lot of the stuff in your code as FP has applied Times Roman as an inline style and that will take priority over anything else you specify.

CSS is Cascading Style Sheet, it's a method of taking all the styling out of the page code and putting it in a file of its own. You then call that file in in the header of all your pages. It means that if you want to alter page layout or colours, you change it once in the CSS and it goes across the whole site.

quote:

btw, i was just experimenting and it seems bold italic latha is the same as bold italic times new roman. would times new roman be kept as bold italic, while latha would revert to something else. or would latha revert to times new roman so that i don't even need to make the change?

thank you.

What is dispalyed depends very much on the user's browser and what fonts it is set up to use. TNR should be fine in most. Latha will get changed as AFAIK no browser uses that amongst its defaults.



Tailslide -> RE: help w/just published web site (4/27/2008 2:15:01)


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ORIGINAL: treetopsranch

Tailslide...

When one uses the table layout wizard on the right hand side of the FP screen it will generate that <!-- MSTableType="layout" --> stuff.


Aha! thanks for letting me know. It sort of looked like the stuff produced by word.



JefD -> RE: help w/just published web site (4/28/2008 2:03:41)

thank you for your input. i spent a lot of time the last couple of days revising the site. instead of mixure of cells and tables, i now have all tables and it is all left justified. i constructed the tables so that i could insert the pictures in them. i also changed all the fonts to times new roman. everything seems to work now. except when i view in safari, for example, in some cells of some tables, the font has been enlargened considerably. in other cells of the same tables, it has been left alone. the font sizes are all specified the same. can anyone tell me what could cause this variance? i cannot find any formatting discrepancies in the tables, cells, or formatting. again, the site is www stainedconcretechicago com thank you.



d a v e -> RE: help w/just published web site (4/28/2008 2:46:15)

AAAARGH! it's all in italics! italics are for highlighting (emphasis only) and should be used for that purpose only. setting all your text in italics makes it more difficult to read.

also verdana might be a nicer font to go for than times which is more difficult to read on screen (hence the introduction of fonts like verdana) though i realise you might want to stay with times for the slightly classier feel?

it's really confusing to underline text that ISN'T links. don't do it. ;) (use <stong> (i.e. bold) for highlighting)

also a contrasting link colour would make it easier than using a similar shade of blue, something like #A48022


also you could optimise your photos more so that they weigh in nearer the 20k mark or below.



everything looked ok in safari on windows for me

i would learn some very basic css - even if it was only to control your fonts - size and colour - and links. makes it a lot quicker to change things ;)



JefD -> RE: help w/just published web site (4/28/2008 11:20:33)

lol! sorry about the italics! you're right, that's what i like about it - the classy style. if it was more than a one page web site, i probably would go with something different. but i think for one page, it is okay. i tried verdana, as you suggested, but it just doesn't have the same fluid feel.

as for underlining, okay. the reason i underlined is because i'm already using bold as part of the main font formatting. italicized without bold just doesn't do it. so i didn't know what else to do but underline. given that i already have bold, what should i do - use a slightly different color blue to make those words stand out?

i agree with you about the color of the links. i tried inputting #A48022 but i don't know what the coding means or how to convert it in front page. so i just input it in the custom color/value box and it came out a camel brown, which actually looks pretty nice. but i don't think that's what you intended, as i don't know how to translate that color coding.

also, what would optimizing the photos do? and what do you mean by "optimitize"? i think they are pretty clear already and i don't really want them any bigger. but i am open to suggestions if you think they might help.

i used safari on the iphone. so maybe that's why. but normally all the mainstream web sites appear fine with iphone safari. so i thought it had to be something i was doing.

finally, i would like to learn some css, as you recommend. do you know of a particularly good or easy tutorial link? i found a couple on google but they're pretty confusing!

thanks for all your comments dave! i really appreciate it!



d a v e -> RE: help w/just published web site (4/28/2008 13:12:46)

it's a pirty you want to stay witht the italics, but it's your site ... ;)

just use bold for the headings and leave them their default size as normal headings i.e. <h1>, <h2> etc

my colour was a similar colour to that so no worries

by optimise i mean compress them more in a graphics program so that the file size is lower, around 20kb, if you don't have the facility to do that then don't worry about it too much.

i don't know about safari on i-phone :)

there are some links at the top of this forum site - where it says 'frontpage'
then there's
http://www.w3schools.com/

and http://www.htmldog.com/




d a v e -> RE: help w/just published web site (4/29/2008 7:22:24)

oh and i made a start for you with a css layout
http://pp.kpnet.fi/prescott/chicago/chicago.html

i haven't finished yet but thought it might be interesting ;)



JefD -> RE: help w/just published web site (4/30/2008 11:45:26)

hey dave, thanks for your responses. i like what you did to the corbel (the decorative architectural feature at the top) and the camel coloring of the links! i think i'm going to incorporate that. how did you do the shdowing on the corbel?

i was doing a consultation yesterday with a client. they had the web site pulled up on their (large) computer monitor. the site looked fine - all the features and positioning were retained. but too much blue! i have to incorporate the camel. i'd like to use the beige (in the welcome emblem) more too, but i don't know how to do it. maybe somehow in the background of certain sections as part of a (repeating) simple geometric shape?

i know you don't like the italics, but i don't like the perpendicular stuff! it has to have more style and fluidity. i don't think it is hard to read, it was fine on the screen yesterday. it's just that for the types of people that will be reading this page, the style has to jump out at them to help retain their interest. it has a lot of content and info packed into a small area, and these generally aren't going to be academics or scientists reading this web site!

anyway, thanks for your help and suggestions! if you have any more, please let me know...



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