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Simple form (I think) - 9/4/2008 16:32:52
I'm by no means a web developer or do I have any real experience with frontpage (besides what I've learned in the past week or so)
okay now that I have set the stage heres the situation:
after clicking the "Submit" button it takes me to a folder that doesnt exist on the webserver ---> /_vti_bin/shtml.dll/index.htm
also it has
[FrontPage Save Results Component] at the top (I googled this and found work arounds but I suppose im not saving something corrently in the line of code that defines "SaveResults")
another Issue I believe I'm having is incorrect setup of smtp configuration, I confirmed that it was enabled but while in frontpage and right-clicking and going to the properties option it shows this in the error of the .htm file --->(1) Saving Form Results to E-Mail will not work unless either the "SMTPHost" or "SendmailCommand" server configuration parameters are set.
I could be doing many things wrong, including having no idea what I'm doing (Assume I know nothing)
let me know if you would like to view some html as well
thanks in advance for anyones help!
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/4/2008 20:51:10
Are you able to post the URL of your website?
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/4/2008 21:03:14
Make sure you have Frontpage Server Extensions installed at your server.
You should PUBLISH your Frontpage web and NOT use FTP.
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/4/2008 21:23:56
I've done that, extensions are installed...
I think that the bin folder just was never created, albeit all of the other vti folders were auto created when I published, should I just delete them all and republish them from their originals?
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/4/2008 21:30:37
If you have FPSE installed, it should show some page that contains configuration info about FP components when you type in http://www.yourdomain.com/_vti_inf.html
See www.outfront.net/_vti_inf.html
When I try it with your server, it returns Internal Server Error meaning no FPSE installed.
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/5/2008 9:19:12
Okay this is weird, after looking through the files on my webserver I may have published it to the wrong folder, it looks likt that specific file (_vti_inf.html) is in the parent folder with everything (along witht he site) as well. I viewed all of these files using the webhosts control panel, do you think it would break anything if I simply moved that file over?
Should I try to delete all of the file from that folder and republish from my local files?
or should I ask the host to reference the dns to the root folder instead of the other? (not sure if tahts possible because there is another URL being hosted in a different folder in that directory as well. (which works fine but has a completely different purpose)
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/5/2008 9:55:03
Can you tell how you put your files up on the server?
Did you use the Publish Web feature in FP or use a FTP program?
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/5/2008 10:01:33
FP, but you should know The first time I ever touched FP was less than 10 days ago, I am not familiar with it and am learning as I go (I know its legacy unfortunately this was provided by a 3rd party company and I dont ahve a choice for the time being)
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/5/2008 10:09:30
All I can say is that your web does not have FP Server Extensions installed currently. If you go to your URL and Edit with Frontpage in the File menu of your browser, it doesn't prompt you for Username and Password. If you have published your FP web, you will be challenged for authorisation.
Your form will not work without FP server extensions.
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/5/2008 11:12:53
I use a different "temp" url to publish to the other. This URL allows me to edit it and it doesn't immediately get brought out to the other. this temp URL asks for authentication. I'll PM you the link.
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/5/2008 11:17:49
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I use a different "temp" url to publish to the other. This URL allows me to edit it and it doesn't immediately get brought out to the other. this temp URL asks for authentication. I'll PM you the link.
The destination, where you want your form to work, must have FPSE installed.
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/5/2008 11:35:22
I confirmed with the web host several times that they were installed, the webhost said if I was using FP to use that link to publish.
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/5/2008 23:14:44
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I confirmed with the web host several times that they were installed, the webhost said if I was using FP to use that link to publish.
Can you tell me which is the destination web that you want the form to work?
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/5/2008 23:25:11
tell your host you need the "mail form" extensions installed. It is a separate step and most techs don't know that!!!
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/8/2008 14:43:17
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quote:
ORIGINAL: fosco237
I confirmed with the web host several times that they were installed, the webhost said if I was using FP to use that link to publish.
Can you tell me which is the destination web that you want the form to work?
I'm not sure what you mean here, I want the original link I sent you in the first PM to send this form to my email.
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ORIGINAL: cbarton
tell your host you need the "mail form" extensions installed. It is a separate step and most techs don't know that!!!
I asked them to ahve this enabled and they said it was enabled (I'm beginning to feel that they must be saying this without actually confirming)
heres an update thats weird
while im in frontpage and viewing HTML I see this
<form method="POST" action="--WEBBOT-SELF--" onsubmit="return FrontPage_Form1_Validator(this)" name="FrontPage_Form1" language="JavaScript">
BUT while viewing source online I see this
<form method="POST" action="_vti_bin/shtml.dll/index.htm" onsubmit="return FrontPage_Form1_Validator(this)" name="FrontPage_Form1" language="JavaScript" webbot-action="--WEBBOT-SELF--">
could I be publishing this incorrectly? the action taht is online doesnt exist (The folder) the index.html is in the root virtual directory. _vti_bin doesnt exist.
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/8/2008 16:56:09
do you know of a way I can configure the Original URL to allow me to publish directly to it?
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/8/2008 17:25:10
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do you know of a way I can configure the Original URL to allow me to publish directly to it?
File >>Publish Site >>enter full URL e.g. http//www.yoursite.com/ >>enter User Name >>enter Password. Once connected to your host, delete ALL files/folders on the host side, select "Remote Web Site Properties, select Publishing then check "Publish all pages, overwriting pages ... ", then click Publish Web Site.
IF, you get a screen message to the effect that "the server failed to parse ...", then this DEFINITELY confirms FrontPage Extensions are NOT loaded (or corrupted and need to be uninstalled/reinstalled)
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/9/2008 9:03:16
when going to file >> open web >> FULL URL >> I get this "the folder "fullURL" isn't accessible. The folder may be located in an unavailable location, protected witha password, or the filename contains a / or \"
it didnt ask for a password or username, I blieve because there is none set, is there anything previous to attempting to open the web that I must to do enable authentication so I can do this?
BTW I get the same error if I try to access http://www.google.com so I msut conclude that it must be something on the front page administration that I need to do.
This is also in the code and I believe it represents something taht I need to cahnge --> ""startspan --><strong>[FrontPage Save Results Component]</strong><!--webbot bot="SaveResults" i-checksum="6561" endspan -->""
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/9/2008 9:28:18
Larry didn't mean for you to type "FULL URL" he meant for you to type in your domain name. Like http://www.yoursite.com where yoursite is the name of your site.
If that doesn't work then you don't have the extensions installed on your server or you did not create your web correctly.
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/9/2008 9:36:15
HAHHA no i know, i just dont want to type the actual fqdn because i dont want ppl to google it or anything right now.
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/9/2008 9:36:21
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BTW I get the same error if I try to access http://www.google.com so I msut (must) conclude that it must be something on the front page administration that I need to do.
Are you trying to get to Google through FrontPage? You can't. You can only get Google through a browser.
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/9/2008 9:42:28
i was conveying that it doesn't ask for credentials when trying to publish directly to the URL I wanted to show that it is like trying to [publish to a webpage that I clearly do not own. I know it has front page extensions. It just seems that it wont ask for me to login and instead it says it is inaccessible. (Just trying to give as much info as possible)
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/9/2008 11:12:39
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i was conveying that it doesn't ask for credentials when trying to publish directly to the URL I wanted to show that it is like trying to [publish to a webpage that I clearly do not own. I know it has front page extensions. It just seems that it wont ask for me to login and instead it says it is inaccessible. (Just trying to give as much info as possible)
This is repeating myself but if your server has Frontpage Server Extensions installed, you will be prompted for username and password if you try to publish (http not FTP) to it.
If FPSE is installed on your webserver, you will get a configuration page when you access the _vti_inf.html in the URL eg:
http://www.outfront.net/_vti_inf.html
Additionally, if you locate the _vti_bin/shtml.dll or the _vti_bin/shtml.exe file on the Web site that you are working with, you should receive the following error message if the FrontPage Server Extensions are running:
Cannot run the FrontPage Server Extensions on this page:"".
If you receive a different error message, the FrontPage Server Extensions are not running.
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/9/2008 11:33:43
when accessing the temp URL that I've been using what you expect to comes up works....
Cannot run the FrontPage Server Extensions on this page: "http://edtweb25dev137.edthosting.com/en/entake.htm"
That is the error I run into when trying to submit the form on the temp url.
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/9/2008 11:39:32
okay :-/ i'll look elsewhere, thanks for all of you effort and help.
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/9/2008 12:00:07
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when accessing the temp URL that I've been using what you expect to comes up works....
Cannot run the FrontPage Server Extensions on this page: "http://edtweb25dev137.edthosting.com/en/entake.htm"
That is the error I run into when trying to submit the form on the temp url.
Suspect your server extensions is not configured for email formhandler(as cbarton pointed out earlier). Try disabling the send-to-email on your Form Properties; do a Recalculate Web and publish to the server again and see if you can submit the form without error.
I did a mockup of your form here without email bit and seems to work:
http://www.webhostvisions.com/fosco/fosco.htm
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/9/2008 12:35:59
thanks!
Ive been testing it on the temp and it looks like the only problem I have is no SMTPHost configuration
(1) Saving Form Results to E-Mail will not work unless either the "SMTPHost" or "SendmailCommand" server configuration parameters are set.
I've gone to my web host hopefully they will be able to enable this soon!
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RE: Simple form (I think) - 9/9/2008 21:27:26
My hunch is that your form is on a domain not owned by you and they have turned off SMTPHost for FP email formhandler to prevent their domain blacklisted as spammers. There is a security risk in FP form, I learnt.
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