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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 11/15/2008 17:08:36
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Assume I am to delete yours?
No, just overwrite. If you delete it will also delete all permissions settings for that subweb/subsite.
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What does "clear my cache" mean?
Clears your browser's cache so current versus previously stored site information is displayed. In Explorer 7 >Tools > Internet Options > Browsing History > Delete
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 11/15/2008 17:48:54
Hi Larry,
Met Ricky, said hello, got my hand licked.
Published a new "permissions" web with "index" page content.
Cleared my cache.
New "permissions" asks for UN/PW does not allow entry w/LarryM/flynavy.
Downtime for a while.
David
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 11/17/2008 12:34:32
Hi Larry,
Hope your weekend was a great as ours, lots of good family time.
I'm ready to wrap up the "permissions" piece when you are.
Regards,
David
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 11/17/2008 13:45:31
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Published a new "permissions" web with "index" page content. New "permissions" asks for UN/PW does not allow entry w/LarryM/flynavy
Our dog "Ricky" still displays at: www.palmeter.com/permissions . Above UN/PW grants access - tried on 2 "clean" machines besides desktop to make sure.
It does look like you published 3 graphics on November 13th: "mount.gif", "mycat.jpg" and "parot1.jpg", but apparently you didn't overwrite my index.html page with yours that (presumably) contained them.
I don't have FrontPage 2000 but there has to be a publishing command to overwrite all pages on the server or something to that effect. That is what you need to do.
I deleted your images, so try publishing again. Remember you need to complete the entire path statement when initiating - specifically http://www.palmeter.com/permissions/.
You have to get past this successfully before we can move forward and resolve the Server Permissions subweb/subsite Protection process.
< Message edited by Larry M. -- 11/17/2008 13:55:14 >
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 11/17/2008 15:23:15
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PM the UN/PW for this site and I'll take a peak
David,
It looks like the UN/PW to indylargescaler.org is for the protected page not the parent site. PM the UN/PW which will allow me to check behind the "ISP forum" to determine if there is, in fact, a restriction against subweb/subsites.
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 11/17/2008 15:32:42
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PM the UN/PW for this site and I'll take a peak
David,
It looks like the UN/PW to indylargescaler.org is for the protected page not the parent site. PM the UN/PW which will allow me to check behind the "ISP forum" to determine if there is, in fact, a restriction against subweb/subsites.
Larry,
Isn't the protected page working? It has been okay with the tests so far.
David
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 11/17/2008 15:47:03
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Published a new "permissions" web with "index" page content. New "permissions" asks for UN/PW does not allow entry w/LarryM/flynavy
Our dog "Ricky" still displays at: www.palmeter.com/permissions . Above UN/PW grants access - tried on 2 "clean" machines besides desktop to make sure.
It does look like you published 3 graphics on November 13th: "mount.gif", "mycat.jpg" and "parot1.jpg", but apparently you didn't overwrite my index.html page with yours that (presumably) contained them.
I don't have FrontPage 2000 but there has to be a publishing command to overwrite all pages on the server or something to that effect. That is what you need to do.
I deleted your images, so try publishing again. Remember you need to complete the entire path statement when initiating - specifically http://www.palmeter.com/permissions/.
You have to get past this successfully before we can move forward and resolve the Server Permissions subweb/subsite Protection process.
Larry,
Bizarre! I have NO idea where the mount(?), the cat and the parrot came from. I tried to publish a page with a photo of 5 Grand Sport Corvettes at Amelia Island.
I must be totally confused again. Am I supposed to be creating this "permissions" web on my C drive and publishing it to the ISP server (which I just did again) or is this one of those "Do it Live on the server" things that follows your fine set of well written instructions?
We are back to the "Don't assume anything, he needs line-by-line instructions mode, I guess."
David
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 11/18/2008 9:50:08
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Am I supposed to be creating this "permissions" web on my C drive and publishing it to the ISP server (which I just did again) or is this one of those "Do it Live on the server"
The only aspect of establishing a subweb/subsite which is protected or requires UN/PW to gain access are Steps 4 and 5 of my written instructions. At this point the subweb/subsite folder is empty (except invisible code). This marks the end of working on the server "live" which only is changed when the UN/PW and/or Permissions levels are changed.
Since the subweb/subsite is empty and you want your members to have access to restricted information not on the parent site, www.palmeter.com/ you need to publish this information to the host server as you do now for www.palmeter.com EXCEPT the publish command line should read: http://www.palmeter.com/permissions/ .
Conceptually, view this like a silverware tray; the spoons (www.palmeter.com) are in one section of the silverware tray and the forks (www.palmeter.com/permissions) are in another section of the silverware tray. The spoons can be used separately as can the forks, or they can be used together.
What you are trying to get done is to make the spoons (www.palmeter.com) available to everyone, but make the forks (www.palmeter.com/permissions) only available to the few visitors who are authorized to use them.
www.palmeter.com/permissions is an entirely different site but it can relate to or even look like the parent site, www.palmeter.com. The intent is to make certain information available to the fork users that the spoon users can't have but the composite information relates to the intended function of the parent site www.palmeter.com .
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 11/18/2008 16:45:30
Hi Larry,
Status report:
- The originally requested help in creating a new web site successfully produced same.
- A web template was successfully introduced (with occasional questions still waiting, I am sure).
- The Big Boys Play Mostly Outdoors with Model Trains Members Protected Section is being tested by the club members and seems to be working well. I have been able to move pages in and out of, and rename, the Protected Section today.
- The palmeter.com/permissions subweb/subsite was duly noted to have a new picture this morning (yours) and can now been seen to have a second picture added (mine, finally).
- Further, a New Page, with pix, has been added to the protected sub/sub. Yes! I can do it!
- Also, during the above, the Admin section that controlled the rights for both you and me to have Read, Write and Dabble (or whatever) capabilities was found.
I appears, Larry, that your long hours and vast knowledge have triumphed even in the face of the least learned among us.
Other than cleaning up the Admin side, I am not sure what else there is to do, but I am pleased with where we are.
Regards,
David
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 11/18/2008 19:49:48
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Other than cleaning up the Admin side, I am not sure what else there is to do, but I am pleased with where we are
David,
I see the second photo and new page but don't know how (or why) you "added" your picture instead of overwriting my self-timer hiking photo.
Anyhow, what you've done seems to have captured the mechanical and conceptual aspects of what needs to be done up to this point, so it's time to finish the process by completing:
Step 4 -- Open Subweb/Subsite and Open the Server Administration Web
Double click the subweb/subsite permissions icon. Then > Tools > Server > Permissions > enter Username/Password (use the one's for the parent site, e.g. coll****** and for****). This will bring up a protected Web site that uses the same permissions you use for FrontPage access. This can be verified on the address bar which should (must) now read: http://www.indylargescaler.org/permissions
Step 5 -- Change Permissions
(A) Click "Change permissions" > Check “Use unique permissions for this Web site" > Click Submit, then click the "Administration" link (top left of the page in blue bar).
(B) Click "Change anonymous access settings" > Click "Change Anonymous Access Settings" then click Off > Click Submit. (This prevents users who have not been supplied with a userID/Password from accessing the permissions subweb/subsite.
Back on the main Administration page, click "Manage users" > Click "Add a user" > Enter a new Username (member) and Password (largescaler) > Enter the Password again (largescaler) to confirm it > Decide whether you want the new user to have admin, author, or browser level access (I suggest Browser) > Click Add User.
Note: (1) You can delete the LarryM/flynavy Username/Passwords with corresponding Administrative Authority once you get through this, and (2) I deleted users pal01 and pal02 on the Administration page which you added but, apparently, were non-functioning.
Glad to help 
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 11/18/2008 20:34:14
Hi Larry,
Sometimes I talk too much in class and sometimes I run with scissors and it comes out okay anyway. I decided to completely delete the palmeter.com/permissions sub/sub and start over just to see if I could.
So now I created palmeter.com/soup (so named to avoid confusion with anything useful) from scratch. It has me as admin and you as read only with your original UN/PW. Give it a try.
Concerning the Train one, it is working okay on the other guys method, I'm leaving it as is.
Onward.
David
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 11/18/2008 21:10:23
Hey Larry,
I certainly do appreciate your patience and time spent getting me here. Now back to the more mundane slugging it out with the template and other details. Hope you are still on for some of those questions now and then.
One request I do have for all the other folks that have apparently been dropping by to check out what we have been doing, give us a Hello (I probably don't know many of you) or a Question (Larry can handle those). It just amazes me that we've had so many lookers, I am nosy about who is lookin'.
Thanks again,
David
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 12/13/2008 13:56:24
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For those with military backgrounds, they have to be wondering how you got "dream orders" to a Navy Tender.........
Parked on coffee grounds, feelin' the love from the citizens of Norfolk, it's all relative, I guess.....
Anyhow, a template question :
When someone fills out the "Contact" form and submits it, I get this:
Name: Scott Smith
Address1:
Address3: 1234
Address4:
Address2:
Address5:
Address6:
City:
Address7:
Address8:
StateProvince:
etc:
etc:
That was just a sample someone sent but the point is, I added fields but I don't know how to put the correct labels on the RETURN EMAIL fields so I can know what information the sender intended to send. I just have a lot of "AddressX" field labels for the fields that I added.
The field labels are okay on the web site but not on the RETURN EMAIL. Where do I go to change them?
Thanks,
David
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 12/13/2008 19:54:44
Right click each form field, select Form Field Properties, complete the Name field as appropriate, save and republish. Repeat for each form field item.
Visitor Submit button replies will thereafter agree with the information inserted in each Name field (presumably the form labels).
For instance, completing the label "Occupation" with the form field Name "Occupation" will return "Occupation". Completed visitor fields will follow the Reply Form question order.
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 12/17/2008 11:59:15
Hi Larry,
Good news, the above re-label process worked, as we all knew it would:
Form Confirmation
Thank you for submitting the following information:
President: xx
VicePres:
NLEditor:
TreasSec:
Membership: xx
Name: xx
Address1: xx
NoLayout:
Outdoor:
Address2: xx
GardenFeature:
WaterFeature:
City:
Modular:
Indoor:
StateProvince: xx
Country: xx
TrainShow:
OurClubMember:
Email: xx
GardenRailwayMag:
SpouseName:
Occupation:
HobbyShop:
Other:
HomePhone:
WorkPhone:
B1: Submit
Comments: xxxx
However, although I put "xx" in every box on the web form in order to generate the above test list, note that most of the responses shown in the Form Confirmation (and consequently, the reply email) DO NOT have any response ("xx"). Strangely, some of the original boxes from the template, like "City", are dead, and some of the new ones that I just put in, like "President", are working.
All of the ones that I added were cleverly done by simply copying an existing box and renaming it. How do I bring the blank ones back so that all the categories show the information entered on our web site?
Thanks,
David
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 12/17/2008 12:24:18
In your Form Properties, click on the Option Button. In the Saved Fields tab, you can choose Save All and this will update your form submission information if you have added / changed some inputs.
As ar as the return email, you can change the reply-to email address in the E-Mail Results tab (from above). But the email address you see is probably the one the hosting company set up when they installed FPSE on the server.
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 12/17/2008 13:13:52
Hi Corey,
That worked, we're cookin'!
Thanks,
David
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 12/23/2008 14:42:13
Greetings to Today's Duty Officer at the Old Folks Home,
It looks to me like I am wasting a lot of space on the Home page of the Railroad Web Site. I would like to put a column on the right side of the Home page ONLY, similar to the column on the left side of ALL the pages. How do I put a column (or text box?) on right side of the Home page ONLY?
I realize that I am seeing waste space because I am looking at the site on a wide screen monitor but I assume those that aren't on a wide screen can simply scroll over to see the right side content. I will probably scale down the pictures and logo a bit to avoid an extreme problem.
Thanks,
David
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 12/23/2008 15:35:53
Moderator,
Please make this a separate (new) FrontPage thread.
David,
FYI, always start a new subject with a new thread - this post is so long that it won't attract the attention from other Outfronter's it should have.
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RE: Need some simple talk about starting a second web site - 12/26/2008 10:39:53
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