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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/1/2008 9:22:37
i would advise you to use filezilla - it's pretty darn quick!
we can walk you through and you could try it if you're feeling brave ?!
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/1/2008 12:03:29
When you are using http, Frontpage makes it very easy - it does everything for you and all you need to enter is http://www.example.
However with FTP, you need to know possibly that URL and if a folder might be needed. Usually you will get one main FTP but you might need to make sure Frontpage / Expression web the correct folder - sometimes www or wwwroot. Otherwise, if you don't enter a filename, your files might be placed somewhere else.
I have to still suggest (even though you aleady said no, but if someone else has the problem they might want to. Install FileZilla FTP Client (free) and ftp into your website to see what _vti folders might remain
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/1/2008 14:56:11
I hate to say this but I am confused! I was under the impression that you wanted to move away from FP and it's extensions so you had the FPSE's removed from your site as well as deleting the whole site from your server. If this is so why are you still trying to "publish" as you did with FP? The Publish function requires FPSE to be applied to your site, so if they are no longer there you should be uploading files via FTP and not Publishing as you did before.
Have a look at this current thread here on using FTP. http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/m-392578/tm.htm#392631
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/1/2008 17:05:27
Hi Dave:
Thanks for your reply.
If you could walk me through using filezilla, I might give it a try.
Thanks.
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/1/2008 18:20:58
Hi Corey:
Thanks for your reply.
1. Yes, I agree that FrontPage made it very easy for me to publish.
2. Using FTP, I had to ask Fathosts what entries I hould put in the fields for REMOTE WEB SITE LOCATION andfor FTP DIRECTORY. They told me respectively, 'ftp.edinphoto.org.uk' and 'ht docs'.
I believe that those answers are correct, because completing the fields that way, I've managed to publish some pages over the past 24 hours. I've now probably published about 10% of the site, but each time my attempt to publish has ended with the message
(Unfortunately, my most recent attempts to publish have ended with this message without any pages being first published!)
3. You'll see that Dave, above, has offered to talk me through the use of filezilla, and I've now taken him up on that offer.
Thank you to you both.
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/1/2008 18:39:08
Hi Caz (and Corey)
Sorry, Caz, if I have caused you some confusion, somehow.
You are correct in saying that I wanted to move away from FP extensions and that I had the FPSE's removed from my site as well as havng the whole site deleted from my server.
You went on to say: "If this is so, why are you still trying to 'publish' as you did with FP? The Publish function requires FPSE to be applied to your site."
In fact, I have not been trying to publish as I did with FrontPage. The Expression Web publishing page that I have been attempting to publish from gives the choice of publishing using:
1. FrontPage Server Extensions
2. WebDAV
3. FTP
4. File System
I believe that 1. above corresponds to what I've been doing over the past few years, when I've been publishing through FrontPage. However, now, I am using option 3 in my attempts to publish.
You'll see from my reply to Corey that I have managed to publish some pages this way, but each of my attempts to publish have ended with an error message.
Sorry Corey, but I forgot to tell you, in my reply above, what the error message was. Here it is:
"Could not find web server at 'ftp.edinphoto.org.uk on port 21 ...." In fact, it usually seemed to have found the edinphoto web site for a while, then lost it. I'll speak to Fasthosts about that one!
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/2/2008 5:25:22
FrontPage FTP program was horrific to say the least. Expression Web 1 FTP was a bit better, and Expression Web 2 FTP was the same. They (the Microsoft programmers) did not work much at all on the FTP part. If you download / install FileZilla, let me know and I can do a little video cast maybe to at least should you how easy it is.
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/2/2008 8:58:14
Hi Corey:
Thanks for your FileZilla comments. I'll let you know how I get on.
I'm not sure just what problems you and others have found with the Frontage and Expression Web FTP programs, but if you are rcommending File Zilla, I'll take your advice.
I think it's likely to be a day or two before I take the next step, even though I'm keen to get the site working again as soon as possible, but I think a rest for a couple of days might be a good idea.
I've now been trying to get the site working again ever since it lost its FrontPage Server Extensions, on September 19. Three days ago, I thought I was getting there when I started to publish using FTP, but I've just taken another step backwards! See below for the progress over the past three days.
1. Fasthosts removed the site and any association with FPSE from their servers.
2. They thought I should be able to publish it successfully using FTP.
3. I got the "Cannot open frontpg.lck" messge each time I tried to publish.
4. I tried publishing a copy of the site and that avoided the "frontpg.lck" message.
5. However, FTP kept losing its link to the server after publishing a few pages.
After 24 attempts to publish, I had only published about 10% of the site, and
the link to the server was being lost before any more pages were being published.
6. I contacted Fasthosts, about 12 hours ago, and told them.
They suggested copying files directly into their server, using the internet, not FTP.
That worked well for a while, then I started getting time-outs.
I had a look at the site on the server and it was a real mess!
There were some duplicate files in it, and other files that I could not delete or open.
And it had taken me 2 hours to copy less than 10% of the site into the server.
7. So, I've just sent another message to Fasthosts, telling them what has happened.
I've suggested that they delete the whole site from their server again.
I've asked what they or I could do different, that would let me publish successfully,
using an FTP. i.e. I don't want to get the problems in 4. and 5. above next time.
I've only just sent that message to Fasthosts, so I don't know when I'll get a reply.
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/2/2008 8:59:05
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ORIGINAL: coreybryant
FrontPage FTP program was horrific to say the least. Expression Web 1 FTP was a bit better, and Expression Web 2 FTP was the same. They (the Microsoft programmers) did not work much at all on the FTP part. If you download / install FileZilla, let me know and I can do a little video cast maybe to at least should you how easy it is.
thanks Corey - sounds better than my crummy screenshots would be :)
edit: might be useful to put it as a sticky or something for other people to use?!
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/2/2008 10:26:10
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thanks Corey - sounds better than my crummy screenshots would be :)
I would not count on it LOL but at I did get something up Using FileZilla - it might require you to have the latest Adobe Flash. I need to get a new microphone but I just forget everytime
A bit messy but I just wanted to get something posted for now
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/2/2008 17:47:58
Hi:
1. Thanks, Corey, for 'Using FileZilla'. I got that to run successfully.
2. I got a quick reply from Fasthosts today.
They have now re-set my web space, so I'm free to start publishing again using FTP.
Their advice was to "use a good FTP client to upload your site, such as :
WiseFTP : http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/knowledge-base/?article_id=953
FileZilla : http://www.filezilla-2009.com/filezilla.php
CoffeeCup : http://www.coffeecup.com/free-ftp/
SmartFTP : http://www.smartftp.com/
or any other leading FTP software program."
So I'll go for FileZilla which fits in with your recommendations.
3. I clicked on the FileZilla link, above, and started the 3-step process for downloading FileZilla, but step 2 seemed to say that there would be a $34.95 payment due for support, and I could see no way of opting out of this, so I did not go on to step 3.
That's not a huge amount of money, but on principle it seemed wrong to me to have to pay for a program that usually seems to be described as free.
4. I then looked on Google for FileZilla, and found several sites that would download it. The first three were:
a) filezilla-project.org
b) sourceforge.net
c) www.download.com
I'm not sure if it's safe to download from such sites. What are your views? Please see below.
I read a warning on filezilla-project.org web site saying that downloading should only be done from a safe site (such as filezilla-project.org) and that downloading from sites such as www.download.com could lead to software including viruses being downloaded.
I continued with the download from the filezilla-project.org web site, but when the program was about to download, I got an Internet Security Warning saying:
"Unknown Publishier. This file does not have a valid digital signature."
so I cliked on "Don't download".
I look forward to hearing your advice, before I go ahead and download FileZilla, from somewhere.
Thanks.
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/3/2008 0:29:21
try this link from the official homepage
http://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=client and choose the first link under Windows
FileZilla_3.1.3.1_win32-setup.exe (recommended)
(just LEFT click on it and it should take you to an orange downloading screen
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/3/2008 5:35:11
Hi Dave:
Thanks for the reply.
1. It looked to me as if the site that you gave me the link to would be the official FileZilla site, but I became suspicious when I tried using it and got the warning about the mising certificate, knowing that in some cased people have created fake web sites intended to look like the genuine sites.
2. However, I've now downloaded the filezilla program from that site, without any problem, and have begun to use it to copy the 82,494 files in my web site to the Fashosts server.
3. So far I have been very impressed by FileZilla. I used the quickconnect bar at the top of the screen then dragged my files into the foler I wanted on the remote site. The transfer has started. So far, the first 1,000 files have transferred successfully.
4. If all goes well, the web site should be back on the internet again by about this time tomorrow!
5. If this transfer of 'all files' works well, the next time next time I use FileZilla might be tomorrow when I would like to ask it to transfer just the files that have changed. Is there an easy way of getting FileZilla to do that?
Thanks again for your help and encouragement.
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/3/2008 5:40:15
before you connect to your site if you go to Transfer (on the right of File, Edit View) and choose Default file exists action (good plain English there ;) and on the right under uploads choose Overwrite if source newer.
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/5/2008 7:27:48
Success!
1, At last I've managed to publsh the site again. Thanks to all for your help.
I even found that the top and bottom borders were still working.
These give links back to the home page and to other sections of the web site.
These links have vanished in the past when Front Page Server Extensions have 'gone down'.
So I really did not expect them to work now that FPSE have been removed from the site.
If you are interested in having a look at ithe web site, you'll find it at www.edinphoto.org.uk.
2. USING FILEZILLA TO PUBLISH THE WHOLE SITE (What has happened so far?)
I found FileZilla to work very well, but it's the first time I've used it and I went wrong somewhere in the process, and had to subsequently make some changes to folder names on the remote site. See below.
In FileZilla:
- I set the local file to C:\EdinPhoto\
- I set the remote site to HOST= ftp.edinphoto.org.uk AND USERNAME = edinphoto.org.uk
The remote panel on FileZilla listed listed one folder with three folders beneath it. i.e.
- No Name
- - - htdocs
- - - logfiles
- - - private
I was told that htdocs was where my web site should be held.
So I dragged the C:\EdinPhoto folder across the FileZilla screen and put it in htdocs, then waited 22 hours for the files to be transferred.
The result was that File Zilla put my site into a sub-folder of htdocs and that htdocs remained empty apart from this sub-folder, so my site still could not be viewed on the internet.
i.e. FileZilla was showing the the folders on the the remote site to be:
- No Name
- - - htdocs
- - - - - EdinPhoto
- - - logfiles
- - - private:
So, I:
- dragged the EdinPhoto sub-folder into the 'No Name' top level folder THEN
- deleted the htdocs folder.
This gave me:
- No Name
- - - EdinPhoto
- - - logfiles
- - - private.
I then renamed 'EdinPhoto' to become 'htdocs'.
I checked and found that the EdinPhoto web site was now available on the web.
I don't know what I should have done differently, but at least it's working now.
I hope it's a long time before I need to publish ALLM PAGES of the site again.
However I need to understand what I should do to publish just the changed pages.
3. USING FILEZILLA TO PUBLISH CHANGED PAGES (That's what I want to do next.)
Thanks for your message above, Dave, telling me how to publish changed pages.
I would have had difficulty finding that and deciding what to do, myself.
That's very helpful. I'll try it.
But first, I need to understand exactly where I should be transferring the files from and to on the FileZilla screen, in order to avoid the problems that occurred when I transferred ALL PAGES.
QUESTION
What folders should I select when I try to transfer the CHANGED PAGES?
Would FileZilla be likely to create unwanted sub-folder(s) under htdocs (like it did last time) if I select:
- LOCAL: C:\EdinPhoto
- REMOTE: htdocs?
Thanks for your help.
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/5/2008 17:49:30
Hello again:
I see that about 50 people have looked at this thread this afternoon, but no reply yet. Perhaps I've made it all sound a bit too complicated, so let's try again.
After updating pages on the local copy of my edinphoto web site, I'm wondering how best to get FileZilla to transfer the changed pages into the appropriate file(s) in the remote htdocs folder. (My edinphoto web site on my C drive and the remote htdocs folder each hold about 120 folders, which together make up my web site.)
1. If I've changed just one page on the web site, I can drag that page into the appropriate folder inside the remote htdocs folder.
2. If I've changed several pages and they are all in the same folder within edinphoto, I can drag that folder into the remote htdocs folder.
3. But what should I do if (as is usual) I have changed several pages on my local copy of the web site and cannot remember which of the 120 folders they are in? I could highlight all 120 folders and drag them all into the remote htdocs folder. But that sounds like asking FTP to do a lot. It might take half an hour to do what I used to be able to do in a few seconds when I publishede from FrontPage, asking it to 'publish changed pages'.
I hope the above makes sense to you. If it's not clear, please ask and I'll try to answer.
I hope to hear from somebody soon.
Thanks.
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/6/2008 6:20:49
USING FILEZILLA TO PUBLISH CHANGED PAGES Perhaps it's easy!
Maybe all I need to do is to drag my local edinphoto web site into the top level folder on the remote site. (i.e. into the folder that has folders htdocs, logiles and private beneath it.) Would FileZilla know that I wanted it to compare all the files in my local edinphoto folder with those in htdocs?
I'm reluctant to try this in case something goes wrong. If I'm feeling braver later, I may try it.
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/7/2008 8:59:05
Hello again (possibly for the last time on this thread).
SUCCESS:
I've been making more use of FileZilla. Here's how I've solved the problem of how to publish changed pages on my edinphoto web site - just in case anybody else has the same problem, and is interested.
In FileZilla:
a) Bring up the two files to be compared: Local = Edinphoto, Remote = htdocs.
b) Do File>View Directory Comparison>enable
c) Look at the colours used by FileZilla to see which folders are different and so need to be transferred.
d) Set Transfer>Default Exists Action>Overwrite if source newer.
e) Drag the files that were found to differ in c) from local into the htdocs folder.
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/7/2008 9:17:53
well heck! i never knew that directory comparison was there! maybe it was recently introduced ;)
glad it works for you now - is it relatively quick uploading?
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/7/2008 15:26:50
Hi Dave:
Yes the uploading is relatively quick.
There are more steps for me to go through than I had when I published by clicking on 'Publish' in Front Page. However, it doesn't take long to go through these steps and File Zilla has been very reliable for me since I started using it, and it transfers the pages quickly.
Also, I've been leaving the FileZilla screen open on my desktop (though not connected to the remote site) when I've not been using it, so I don't have to input the remote server details and password into FileZilla again each time I want to publish more pages to the web site.
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/7/2008 22:59:09
if you use File > Site manager - you can save your site details in there and then choose that site from the drop down menu afterwards (the little computer icon below File)
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/8/2008 14:39:57
HI Dave:
Thanks for the 'Site Manger' suggestion.
That sounds as if it will invlove a few more keystrokes than leaving theFileZilla file open when not in use. However it could be useful if/when I have closed Filezilla after ppublishing, so I've now saved my site details on Site Manager as you suggested.
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RE: Is my site too large for FrontPage - Should I move ... - 10/9/2008 7:18:49
Hello again Dave:
1.
FILEZILLA
After mentioning the 'Directory Comparison' feature in FZ, I thought I should let you know that:
- it worked well for me at first. (Folders on my local site that had any files with later dates than on the remote site were displayed with green background in the local list and white in the remote list when I did View>Directory Comparison.
- But for the past couple of days, that has not been happening. All folders have displayed white in the local list and green in the remote list, even thought some of the local files have had later dates. So I have had to keep a note of which folders I will need to transfer when I want to publish changes to the site.
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MOVE TO EXPRESSION WEB
I'm attempting to make the move from FrontPage to Expression Web, and have made some progress (I've now got Expression Web to let me add new 'include pages' to the web site) BUT I've hit a problem that might make it difficlt for me to continue to use Expression Web. It's not displaying some of the pictures on my web site.
I've added messages to the "EWD and FP Extensions" thread on the Outfront "Expression Web Help" forum. In the message that I added today, I've asked a couple of questions. I hope that the second of these questions (at least) will be simple for somebody familiar with FP and EW to answer.
I look forward to receiving an answer so that I can continue to develop my web site.
Thanks.
- Peter
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