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Lures0wner Posts: 5 Joined: 3/13/2009 Status: offline	HTML - 3/13/2009 17:47:48 Hello, I am very new to web design and i think i took a wrong turn by starting with Microsoft publisher. I have everything setup decent but my page seems to view to the left, margins are set to absolute somehow and from what i'm told that's making things difficult. I have looked up tags, div, center codes and nothing seems to be helping. is there some unnecessary publisher code in there that's preventing me from using <Center> ? please help Aaron www.columbiagardener.com


Giomanach Posts: 6187 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: HTML - 3/13/2009 19:50:08 Welcome to Outfront Aaron quote: i think i took a wrong turn by starting with Microsoft publisher A very wrong turn ;) MS Publisher is a Desktop Publishing Program (an amatuer one at that) rather than a web development tool. Web Development tools differ - hardcore coders (ie myself) will use Notepad or Dreamweaver, others will use FrontPage. There are free/cheap alternatives as well. Using a program like Publisher limits your range of layouts and tools to use on a web. Publisher also creates HTML coding that will shove any browser in to quirks mode (attempts to read and parse all information in as simple as possible). The problem being with how you have started is, Publisher has added a lot of code, and it would be nigh on impossible to correct it - the unfortunate truth I'm afraid. Now, don't get me wrong, you're design concept is good - but it also very lacking, and doesn't really look all that professional. Let us know exactly what you want and we can help - maybe even provide you with the coding and a template to get you started. Or if you want, I can go on with info on how to turn your web into a professional item on the web. A big term in web design, especially in the commercial sector is: A Website is your company's image. With a website, you are not selling your products or services, but your company to the consumer. Display your company image right, and you won't need to worry about the products or services - just how well the company provides those face-to-face with the customer in person ;) _____________________________ (in reply to Lures0wner)


Lures0wner Posts: 5 Joined: 3/13/2009 Status: offline	RE: HTML - 3/13/2009 22:21:46 lol, you are correct in every aspect of that response and i greatly appreciate your honesty. I am anything but professional when it comes to design, but i find it very interesting, I did some html with notepad 4 years ago and am pretty clueless as to how i figured it all out then. Anyhow, it sounds like i'm going to have to start from scratch and that's ok, i'm really enjoying it. I do have dreamweaver but due to my lack of knowledge i'm really not sure what i'm doing in it, that's why i tried out publisher. any recommendations or advice would be so helpful and greatly appreciated, maybe some templates or a solid walk through that's easy to understand. Thanks you (in reply to Giomanach)


caz Posts: 3742 Joined: 10/10/2001 From: Somewhere south of Chester, UK Status: offline	RE: HTML - 3/13/2009 23:00:34 For a solid grounding, examples and tutorials have a look at HTML Dog, then you can use Notepad to practice before you delve into Dreamweaver (which is a task in itself). Once you have the html and css under your belt you will know how to tame editors, free or paid for. For templates check these sites out, http://www.opendesigns.org/ http://www.freecsstemplates.org/css-templates/ http://andreasviklund.com/templates/ _____________________________ I remember when it took less than 4hrs to fly across the Atlantic. (in reply to Lures0wner)


Giomanach Posts: 6187 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: HTML - 3/14/2009 7:55:37 Aaron Follow the links Caz gave - best there are. They should give you a strong foothold in coding over using a WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) Editor. Having a program like Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro will also help in your designing. It'll let you layout ideas, let your imagination run - as when it comes to web design, the only limit is your imagination. Personally, I would design something simple, yet asthetic, and professional looking, like so: http://giouk.co.uk/client/images/gardener.jpg - Quick 5 min job, so it won't look....aligned as to say I understand you'd want to use the logo as per your design - but it's not all that web friendly, and it looks clunky. It's fine for paperwork, but not really the web. I'm not a fan of using pre-made templates (never have, never will ). Most here will tell you the same about me. For me using templates is being one of a crowd - You want to be unique on the web. What would also help even more is if you could tell us what Server Technologies you have available with your host - ASP/PHP/FrontPage Extensions. Gio < Message edited by Giomanach -- 3/14/2009 8:22:07 > _____________________________ (in reply to caz)


d a v e Posts: 4348 Joined: 7/24/2002 From: England (but live in Finland now) Status: offline	RE: HTML - 3/14/2009 9:00:04 i knocked this up to http://pp.kpnet.fi/prescott/stuff/gardener/index.html didn't do the gallery but you get the idea. can't do much about your logo though without a better quality orginal ... ;) _____________________________ David Prescott Gekko web design (in reply to Giomanach)


Lures0wner Posts: 5 Joined: 3/13/2009 Status: offline	RE: HTML - 3/14/2009 20:12:52 Very nice and great idea's. I'm looking into paint shop pro and i'll study the links posted. Any recomendations on tools for creating a gallery ? anyhow, thank you for all the advice, i'm sure i'll be back very soon (in reply to Lures0wner)


Lures0wner Posts: 5 Joined: 3/13/2009 Status: offline	RE: HTML - 3/14/2009 20:18:49 Question for dave, did you use notepad to build that or software ? (in reply to d a v e)


Lures0wner Posts: 5 Joined: 3/13/2009 Status: offline	RE: HTML - 3/14/2009 21:37:02 I know this sounds like an easy way out.. and it is, but is there a program similar to publisher that doesnt add all the junk ? a web design program that will convert to html ? (in reply to Lures0wner)


d a v e Posts: 4348 Joined: 7/24/2002 From: England (but live in Finland now) Status: offline	RE: HTML - 3/15/2009 3:13:00 i used dreamweaver to make that - half in design (WYSIWIG) and half in code view. i learnt originally in notepad ;) there is no magic solution to making web pages - expressions web and dreamweaver are very good tools BUT you have to know what are doing with them. you need to understand how web pages are put together and how to code or those programs will runaway with the code. these are good starting points http://www.htmldog.com http://www.opera.com/company/education/curriculum// http://www.w3schools.com/ http://www.cssbasics.com you can use something like for the gallery http://www.huddletogether.com/projects/lightbox2/ i use fireworks for graphics - i'm not so keen on psp but it seems to be very popular! there are also some free graphics options like the gimp and free html editors like kompozer, though i didn't find the latter up to much. of course you could always hand code in something like notepad++ or pspad but it might be too much of a learning curve! and you get nothing in the way off site management. what graphics software are you using at the moment? oh and don't forget to check out your site in other browsers while you're making it e.g. IE6+ (with something like http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage ), opera, safari for windows, chrome, firefox. and check your code here http://validator.w3.org/ (or get the web developer toolbar for firefox) ... and, don't use tables for layout or any Word art stuff, try and learn some basic css and you're away! :) < Message edited by d a v e -- 3/15/2009 3:22:20 > _____________________________ David Prescott Gekko web design (in reply to Lures0wner)


jaybee Posts: 14320 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: HTML - 3/15/2009 9:09:07 As you're familiar with Microsoft tools your best bet is Expression Web which comes with some nice templates built in and doesn't make too much of a pigs ear of the code. You won't be able to open your existing site in it and have it automatically fixed though, you'll have to start again I'm afraid. Any of the Office suite will add reams and reams of rubbish in behind the scenes. They're not meant to be used to build web sites. MS made a major mistake when they added 'Save as HTML' options in those and they're still paying for it. Or rather, us web developers are still paying for it, as their rotten browsers have to render their own rubbish code to the detriment of those of us who use correct code. EW will take a bit of time for you to get your head round but it'll be worth it in the end. As for graphics, take a look at Photoshop Elements. It's cheaper than the full package by a mile and it has a very good 'Save for web' feature which optimises your images well. PSP can be a bit of a faff and I've never managed to get anything out of it at the same quality and weight as PE wthout spending hours playing with it, PE does it in one hit. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Lures0wner)