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homingli99 -> Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/22/2009 7:51:14)

Hi, I made a website for myself but it seems that it doesnt work in Firefox.

The middle section seems to be over stretched and I have no idea how to fix it.
Is there a way to make it look exactly the same as on IE?

yinloung.tripod.com

Thank you.



Tailslide -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/22/2009 8:41:35)

Probably not only firefox... likely that it's all browsers except IE.

Using tables for layout is quite an old fashioned technique.

If you don't have the time or inclination to really get into modern techniques then I'd suggest having a look at using WordPress. It's very simple to use as either a blog or a content managment system. You can host it on your own server or use theirs. There are literally thousands of beautiful "themes" to choose from - you can upload them to your server and implement them at the touch of a button.

Easier and more reliable cross-browser than working it out for yourself - unless you have a LOT of time on your hands!



homingli99 -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/22/2009 13:35:40)

I do have alot of times. Please teach me or guide me how to make it work for all other browsers.



Tailslide -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/22/2009 14:47:27)

Well personally I'd start again without tables. Have a look at a good tutorial like htmldog.com and work through it - check the site as you go in as many browsers as you can - IE6, IE7, FF, Opera and Safari at a minimum. Validate the code as you go along too at the W3C validator.



homingli99 -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/22/2009 20:43:54)

Now, I changed my index to Div Layout but it seems I'm having trouble to position my middle DIv...help?

Its now working for Firefox but a mess in IE.....



Tailslide -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/23/2009 1:18:50)

Looks pretty much the same in IE as FF to me - what issues are you having.



jaybee -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/23/2009 20:15:54)

He can't use Wordpress, he' got a tripod account.



Tailslide -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/24/2009 2:32:32)

Yes but I'd assumed he'd lay out a few dollars on proper hosting [:D]



alwaysthere -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/29/2009 12:26:13)

The only problem with trying to learn from tutorials on htmldog.com is that quite a bit of what is taught doesnt not view the same in IE7 and IE8 in fact quite large discrepancies. So I would not learn from there. Their Layout examples are a good example of not very good CSS when compared in IE7 and IE8



Tailslide -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/29/2009 13:48:00)

Can you give us an example? I've generally thought their stuff was quite good.

IE is always going to be behind modern browsers but even so as long as you validate as you go along and bookmark "Position is Everything" you should be ok!



alwaysthere -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/30/2009 2:42:30)

Go to their "Examples" page and check them, for instance their one on "Block and inline 2" the very bottom one in particular on that page ... inline ... in IE8 the text goes under the blocks (as it does in Firefox 3.0.10), in IE7 it is clear of the blocks. On the "float 3" example - in IE7 the "fourth paragraph" has space above between the green second para and itself. In IE8 the fourth para is flush with the bottom of the green second para (as it is in Firefox 3.0.10)... that could totally mess up the look of someones page.

I am afraid I do not agree that as long as you validate all is okay. Validation only means that the coding/css you have used complies with the rules ... it does not check that you have actually used it correctly. So I have known websites that validate 100% yet look rubbish becuase the person does not know how to use the validated CSS.

I also dont agree that IE is always going to be behind modern browsers - .. unless of course you are a fortune teller! lol ..... the fact remains a lot of people will always use IE ... that is Joe public. If they have automatic updates turned on, they can automatically get their IE7 updated to IE8 - new puters will come out with IE8 as standard ....

All modern browsers need to be catered for. IE8 is a modern browser. It views a lot like FF - so that can't be bad.

One of the main differences between IE8 and IE7 is line spacing and margins etc. Even the spacing between paras is different. This needs to be addressed. Websites that give tutorials or examples on how CSS works, need to asap update.

Some differences wont matter as if someone views in IE7 they will just get different spacing which they wont know is different - if you see what I mean. But it does matter if that spacing difference leads to text being covered up or extra space where it is not wanted etc etc etc.

Validation does not give you a cross browser acceptable looking website. Just like having all the right ingredients for a cake .. if you dont put them together properly you can end up with something even the dog wont eat ... lol !!




Tailslide -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/30/2009 9:24:18)

I didn't say that validation was all you had to do - I said that validation along with checking bugs (position is everything) will help you be ok. Possibly the reference to position is everything was too cryptic? If so I apologise. You obviously need to check your site in all available browsers (IE6, IE7, IE8, FF, Opera, Safari for PC and the horrible AOL) for PC.

As far as IE always being behind modern browsers or not - I'm a student of history (not literally - bit old!) and I believe that what has happened historically is a good indicator of what will happen in the future. Historically IE has been behind the "curve" since somewhere around IE5. IE8 still doesn't match up to the other modern browsers unfortunately and although better than IE7 in some things, it's actually a step back in some others.

So no - I'm not hopeful that they'll produce something of the quality of other modern browsers any time soon. Plus there's always the problem that even if they come up with a miracle browser tomorrow - we'll still be fixing for IE6, IE7 and IE8 for years and years to come.



alwaysthere -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/30/2009 10:04:45)

Well who knows what will happen with browsers - I dont know and you dont know .. noone does ... I am not sure that past history as far as browsers go is a good indication of the future. Many an "old fashioned" company (in the world at large!) has shot forward and not only matched rivals but exceeded. Microsoft is doing a good job with IE8, in fact I think IE8 is faster than FF and from what I have so far compared between them they both, to me, rank at the top of the browser league as far as page viewing and speed of loading. I am not talking about all the addons and developer tools .....

cryptic comments ... well not to me no, but to a beginner or someone asking how to learn etc, then probably ... yes! lol ....

But back to my original comment, I do not think htmldogs.com is a good tutorial site to learn from at the present time as they have not kept up with the latest modern IE browser! And that is important.

Any web tutorial site should be checked in as many browsers as possible before even considering learning from them. If there are any differences then one should ask why before trusting the information given on the site. Generally a good tutorial will point out differences of note and whether there are workarounds or whatever ....

... just my h'penny worth ..... just didn't want people learning bad coding from a site that has not got around to updating its examples/tutorials etc.



Tailslide -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/30/2009 10:22:51)

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ORIGINAL: alwaysthere
Microsoft is doing a good job with IE8


Ok well we'll disagree on that one then!!

It's the weekend so I can't be bothered to check the bit in HTML dog you mentioned (too lazy on the weekend!) but I'll have a look next week as I don't want to be recommending something that's not accurate.

However they don't really need to "keep up with IE8" as it'd be a bit silly to base all their tutorials on whatever a particular browser manufacturer puts out - better to base tutorials on what the recognised standards are. Any browser bugs would need to be dealt with separately (and there are plenty of sites that do that). Standards don't follow browsers - browsers should follow standards.

Goodness this is a long discussion for a Saturday when the sun's shining! I'm off out into the sun!

Edit: actually you know what - this is silly.

I think the OP is long gone anyway but as I've always said - validate your code and check as you go along in as many browsers as possible.

As far as tuts go - haven't yet seen a better one that htmldog but you're absolutely welcome to post one!



alwaysthere -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (5/30/2009 11:17:58)

Yes check out the site when you get a chance as you will find it is not to be recomeded in its current state.

You misunderstnad me, I am not saying code should keep up with browsers .. I am saying that when a new version of a popular browser (and yes IE is very very popular with jo public) comes out they should check and offer solutions to any bugs etc or at least point out that the browser is not displaying properly other wise it totally misleads the novice into thinking that site is gospel and it will then confuse them when they do check in IE7 and IE8 and Firefox and thinkg they have made the mistake ..... there are plenty of sites out there that have already posted workarounds for code, htmldogs should have done the same, more than likely they are in the process of which is good, but until then the OP (and chances are he is following this thread as it is of importance to the question he asked) should be aware that htmldogs has not covered browser differences, which is important.

But who is to say which browser views badly? The examples I pointed out look identical in IE8 and latest version of Firefox ... so Firefox is not that good then either. It is IE7 that displays differently to the other two.

I think I have made my very simple helpful point, that the tutorial site is not to be totally relied on as it does not give fixes and workarounds, which most good tutorial sites and well known CSS forums do and have already done so in a lot of cases.

Yes we are entitled to our own opinions on what browsers we do or dont like, but noone can disupute facts and the browsers show the facts in each case.

If a site gives examples then they need to make sure those examples view acceptably ... which theirs dont.

Amen!

p.s. ... have this little script that detects when a static page was last updated, and the block example on their website was last updated 7-23-2006 at 13:34:16 hours.



brandmantra -> RE: Website doesnt work in Firefox (6/2/2009 7:12:50)

Error free coding will help you. [:)]



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