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ZOE -> MP3 (12/22/2001 16:04:27)

I need to put a MP3 file on my site... can someone tell me how to do this?
How do you shorten then length of the MP3?




preludeok95 -> RE: MP3 (12/22/2001 18:39:03)

I just FTP'd the file to the site, making sure it was in the right folder for the referencing page. At the time I wasn't on an ISP that supported the FrontPage publish tool.

When we moved...I published the web that way and everything worked fine.

As for shortening the MP3....yuuuuccck! I have looked at a bunch of different editors..
Cool Edit, etc...and Magix has some good ones..I bought one called Audio and video office in a sale bin last week, but haven't had time to give it a try.

Check the Cool Tools on this site for media manager. There might be some hints in there.

I have also had some luck going to personal pages of people who are really into some of the media aspects, and found them more than willing to help. One even had me send an animated .gif I was working with, edited it for me and sent it back..no charge.

You might look at some of the other forums here as well as the tutorials also.

GOOD LUCK!!!

Patty J







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Bill Seper -> RE: MP3 (12/24/2001 19:03:36)

Patty is right; you need a wave editor to alter your sound files. They will open most common sound file types (in raw data form and then you make the changes and resave them in whatever format you need, including MP3. Cool Edit 2000 is the best but a little expensive and has a steap learning curve. There are free wave editors out there though. Search around at tucows.com for wave editors. (Don't be fooled by the name "wave" editor, most will save in a variety of formats.) If you think you're going to be working with sound files a lot in your future I'd sure invest in something like Cool Edit though. It'll do anything! Incredibly stable too.



preludeok95 -> RE: MP3 (12/24/2001 22:46:21)

WOW!!! being right about something is just about one of the best Christmas presents I could get!

There is a downloadable "free" version of Cool Edit for evaluation..
but if I recall...it won't let you save. I went through a bunch of
them when my not-for-profit guys wanted the entire MP3 of "Proud to be an American" as background sound. Talk about going for coffee during the download. You could go to Colombia, plant the beans, and wait for Juan Valdez to harvest them.

I think what confused me when I start looking at the wave editors is the part about encoding. Maybe someone who has worked with sound quite a bit could do some 'splainin??? for us newbies. There is a wealth of information regarding web graphics, not nearly as much regarding sound.

Patty J



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preludeok95 -> RE: MP3 (12/24/2001 22:56:38)

ooohhh darn...another "ps"...

I was on SmartComputing and found something called
MP3 Cutter. Sent an e-maill..and they were kind enough
to reply with the following..which has enough technical info to possibly generate some discussion.

"MP3Cutter is not really an editor.
In fact it's some sort of scissors that can only cut up a MP3.

I won't go into (technical) details, but the bottomline is that a MP3 consists of a stream of packets called "Frames".
My program is able to cut a portion out of a MP3 between two user selectable frames.

So there's no need to decode and re-encode a MP3 using this technique, this way the cut part will retain the original MP3 quality.
If one would decode the MP3, edit it with a sound-editor and re-encode it to MP3 some of the quality would be lost (maybe minor, but still). With MP3Cutter you don't need a decoder and/or an en-coder.


If you want to put a (short) MP3 on a web-page you'll have to make it as small as possible otherwise some users with slow internet connection would be getting annoyed.
So make sure the MP3 has the lowest possible bitrate and the least number of channels (mono) for its purpose.
Ie. you won't need a 128 kbit/s bitrate and a 44100 Hz samplerate stereo MP3 if there's just a human voice saying, for instance, "Welcome to my site".

The human voice only uses the frequency spectrum of 300-3000 Hz, so a sampling-rate of about 8000 Hz (8 kHz) would be sufficient.
And since we people aren't able to speak in stereo, mono is also good enough.

Once the source (unencoded) file sounds nice, you'll have to figure out what the lowest bitrate of a MP3 is for the sound to be acceptable. The only way of doing this is by trial and error; just encode the same source a number of times with different bitrates and compare the results."

soo....there it is..out on the table...any takers


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Bill Seper -> RE: MP3 (12/26/2001 17:35:04)

Patty;

AudioCatalyst also comes with a scizzors MP3 editor like that. That's one of the few things (actually, the only thing) an MP3 editor will do--shortin the length of the audio file. It's better than nothing though and if it will allow you to convert wave's to a variety of MP3 file sizes (e.g. bit rate and sample rate) then it may be all anybody needs. Cool Edit comes with the best MP3 converter in existence (Fraunhofer) and allows you to save in at least 40 different MP3 sample/bit rates as well as mono or stereo etc. Not to mention saving in:

A/mu-Law Wave (.WAV)
ACM Waveform (.WAV)
Amiga IFF-8SVX (.IFF, .SVX) (*.*)
Apple AIFF (.AIF, .SND)
ASCII Text Data (.TXT)
Dialogic ADPCM (.VOX)
DiamondWare Digitized (.DWD)
DVI/IMA ADPCM (.WAV)
Microsoft ADPCM (.WAV)
MPEG Layer 3 (.MP3)
Next/Sun (.AU, .SND)
Real Media (.RM)
Sound Blaster (.VOC)
Windows PCM (.WAV)
PCM Raw Data (.PCM) (*.*)

And that's only the tip of the iceberg for what it can do. It "is" pretty expensive though at $70 and will take a month or so to get the hang of and even then,if you're not a musician who has experience in studio recording techniques, it can take a LOT longer to learn the ins and outs of it. You get your money's worth though.

For somebody just doing web design work I would look into AudioCatalyst or even Real Jukebox (a freebee I think) because they'll do most everything you want from ripping waves from CD's to converting them into MP3's and so on. That's all most people need to do I guess. It's hard to find AudioCatalyst anymore though. They were bought out by Real Audio last year and they burried it so far in their website it's impossible to find. They wanted to get rid of the competition.

So it goes....



preludeok95 -> RE: MP3 (12/26/2001 19:02:26)

What are the odds if scanners and cams come with freebie image software, that audio goodies are dished up with burners?

Probably well worth a dig through the CD spindles as well as Adaptec docs.

THANK YOU!!



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god -> RE: MP3 (12/28/2001 20:05:19)

You need to use a editor to make it shorter, since MP3 is as compressed as it is going to get.




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