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hdavidfrey
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Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/11/2002 11:35:28
Thanks in advance for your help!
This problem has been killing me for the last several weeks and it flared up again last night.
Sometimes after publishing the page I'm working on, the webpage gets corrupted (I think). When I open it back up in FP 2000 the page is wacked (i.e. background colors gone, tables gones, text everywhere). I had my host reinstall the FP extensions and I rebuilt the page and it worked for about a week and its happened again.
I had my host reinstall the extensions again and this time it didn't clear up the problem. In fact, the tech at the webhost brought up my webpage in his FP desktop and the page was corrupted (or at least not viewing correctly).
The funnty thing is that when I open up the webpage I'm working on using "open web" from the host, the webpage is still corrupt but when I look at it on the net it looks fine.
I am also getting a "cannot rename structure.cnf file" error everytime I publish to the web.
Any ideas? I've already pulled hair chunks out on this problem so any help is appreciated.
David Frey
http://www.MarketingBestPractices.com
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JeffG1
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/11/2002 15:10:29
This sort of thing has hit me, too, on an experimental (test) web. When you open the page in Normal view in FrontPage and with Show All (paragraph marks) on do you see lots of yellow boxes with <?> and <!> inside them? Take a look at the HTML to see where it starts going wrong. If it's inside some auto-generated code (like inside a component) try deleting the component and re-inserting it. Not sure this is your problem but it's worth a try.
Jeff.
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puiwaihin
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/12/2002 2:09:13
Try posting to a free host (like Tripod) as a test to see if the files are getting corrupted on your side, or on the server side. If the files are corrupt on your side, you might be able to fix it by creating a new web and importing all the files in.
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hdavidfrey
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/12/2002 8:47:55
thanks for the suggestions. I think I'be fixed one problem (cross my fingers). I am not getting the "cannot rename structure.cnf file." This is what I did.
Step 1: Had the host reinstall FP extensions.
Step 2: Reverse published my web to my desktop c:\ drive (not under "Documents and Settings'where the web is saved as default)
Step 3: I published from the C:\web and it worked with no errors.
Step 4: I deleted the web under Documents and Setting completely.
Step 5: I published my web from the host back down to the Documents and Settings subdirectory
Step 6: I tested it by publishing back up to the host from the website sitting in the Documents and Settings subdirectory.
Unfortunately, this still hasn't stopped my corruption problem. I'm calling it a corruption problem, but because its being translated and displayed correctly on the web, it may be a "translation" problem.
You can go look at the site on the web at http://www.spapoolsuccess.com and it looks fine but when you open up the index.htm file in frontpage tables have been moved, background colors changed etc. So much so that its impossible to edit.
It's as though when I look at in Frontpage the translation of what I'm seeing is getting all messed up.
David Frey
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puiwaihin
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/12/2002 18:57:03
Does it still look corrupt to you? The code looks fine to me.
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hdavidfrey
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/13/2002 6:07:47
Yes, that's the strange thing. The code IS fine. Go to http://spapoolsuccess.com/screenshots.htm
I have taken some screen shots of what I am seeing inside frontpage. You can compare it to what you see on the web. Then you'll see what I mean by it being "corrupted."
I'll rebuild the table and it turns right around and happens again.
Thanks for your help or suggestions.
Aaarrrrgh!
David
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puiwaihin
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/14/2002 0:34:32
Good news-- no need to worry.
The markings in the corners of your tables are from <div> tags that FP inserts into your pages around tables. It is safe to delete them if they are causing you spacing problems, but since everything looks fine online I wouldn't bother.
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hdavidfrey
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/14/2002 9:45:53
Unfortunately, I still need to fix this problem. I can't edit my website when everything is scattered everywhere. I'm probably going to bite the bullet, spend the $35 bucks and call Microsoft today.
I hate to do that, but I can't keep spinning my wheels trying to figure out why its getting all messed up on my webpage.
I wonder if its a FP2000 thing and maybe upgrading to FP2002 will solve it. This isn't happening on my other 5 websites...just this one.(?)
David Frey
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Jego
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/14/2002 11:41:17
Okay David, you're right, you've got a few problems there. (Have a look at his site in FP to see).
Now, I'm doing this from memory as I pulled up your site then had a crash (NOT from your site, never fear!) and now I don't have it up again.
A few things:
* That is one very long page. I would suggest cutting it up into a number of pages and using button or text navigation to get around.
* You need to sit down and do some math...this could be causing a number of problems. You have cells and tables which aren't adding up. Remember, the cells IN a table have to add up to either 100% (if your table is set at that), or have to add up to the pixel width that you've set. You have a number of conflicts. i.e. table is set to XXXXpixels...2 cells in it, together, add up to something else.
* There seems to be some issue with your bulleted list with 0 margin coding running rampant. (maybe try taking it out for now and just using text 'til you get it straightened out).
Spend some time looking at the table tutorial (^^^^up there) and paying particular attention to cell and table attributes. And really think about splitting up that page. Not too hard to cut and paste into separate pages if you decide to do so.
There...grab a coffee, have a "read" and deposit the $35 directly into the Outfront Annual Party Fund. 
Jego
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hdavidfrey
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/14/2002 12:27:19
Jego:
Very good advice. Your mentioning the tables made me think of something. I have one big table that holds the whole page in it.
Then there's about three big tables inside the big table. Then there's about 15 small tables inside the three big tables.
Do you think this is what is causing my problem?
I hate to break up the pages into separate pages. Because, from a sales point of view, the visitor needs to read front start to finish in one sitting to get the effect.
What if I just take out the one big table and use the smaller tables huddled up next to eachother?
David
P.S. I will print out and read the table tutorial. I need to learn the coding stuff you're talking about (I don't know a lick of coding - that's why I use FP).
P.S.S. I'm also having a form problem that I'll put in a separate post.
David Frey
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Jego
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/14/2002 13:00:31
David, I'm going to "maintain my position" on splitting up the pages.  What you've got is an infomercial that would work great on tv, but not on the web. Short bursts of info work better...remember the attention span of the average surfer is that of a gnat. (Heck, most of us get annoyed at having to wait over 20 secs to have a page load). That's also a consideration for you as your page loads quite slowly on a dial-up connection.
You already HAVE the navigation for a site, in a blurb on your page..here it is:
Referral Creation - Chemical Sales - Free Publicity
- Lead-Generation - Accessory Marketing - Home Shows
- Follow Up Automation - Advertising Secrets - Internet Marketing
- Prospect Conversion - Direct Mail Tips - Customer Service
Add "Products" and you're done. All of your page quotes can be categorized under each of the above sub-categories. That way, the pool/spa retailer who's thinking of Direct Mail Advertisng and happens upon your site immediately has a Eureka! moment when he/she sees that you address this..without having to read and read. (Of course the other categories may interest them later, but for now you've got what they want).
As far as tables go, the general rule of thumb is not to nest tables more than 3 deep. But, I'll go away and be quiet now and let you get on with your tutorial reading.
Jego
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puiwaihin
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/14/2002 15:31:37
Oops, sorry, I didn't open your site in FP, I just judged by the visual and thought you were mistaking some common markings for corruption.
If you want the viewer to read your page sequentially you can still break it up as Jego suggests. Just make a "Back" and "Next" button on each page as the Navigation.
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hdavidfrey
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/14/2002 23:47:38
Putting the webpages in sequential order is a great idea. I've seen this strategy used effectively on other mini-sites (as they are called).
The sales letter progression is very important from a marketing standpoint. (see sitesell.com, which has one of the highest visitor-to-sales conversions on the net)
Building emotion in your visitor is the key to high sales conversions (can you tell I've been in the mailorder business for a while now).
I will rebuild the site using navigational progression with teasers at the junctions.
I hope this will help my corruption problem (or whatevery it is).
Thanks all :->
David Frey
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hdavidfrey
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/15/2002 22:10:43
Okay, fellas:
I've been working on this all day. I chopped it up like you said, but made it sequential so the visitor could read it from start to finish.
You can take a look at right now:
http://www.spapoolsuccess.com
Let me know what you think. Best of all, no more "cannot rename structure.cnf file" errors and no corruptions (yet - cross my fingers).
I really do think it was all the nested tables that was causing the problems.
Thanks soooo much. Now I'll have to ask my form question.
Again, thank you so much and if you have any feedback for me please share.
David Frey
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Jego
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RE: Corrupted (I think) Webpages (?) - 1/15/2002 23:01:33
Looks good, David. Much better.
Notes in passing:
- Home Page - Great! I like the nice, big, bright arrows.
- 2nd page - the spapoosuccesscover.jpg is 75KB and takes a long time to download; see if you can get the file size smaller. I'd like to see a graphic in that blank white space at top right. Needs a "Home" button.
- Page 3 is still REALLY long; c'mon, you can do it...break it up...c'mon, I know you can! Needs a "Home" button.
- Page 4 - nice size. It would be nice to see a graphic of some kind. Needs a "Home" button.
- Page 5 - a little long, but I can see how you can't break it up. Needs a "Home" button.
- Page 6 - again, needs an arrow (or something) that says "Return to Home Page" ; I'd make your signature into a real one....or at least a nice script font signature picture.
Although you want your visitors to read it sequentially, I'd also put text links at the bottom like [Page 1] [Page 2] [Page 3] etc. If I've already been all through your site and want to backtrack a bit I'd really like to be able to click on the page I want to reread, rather than having to Back, Back, Back. In which case, you'd also have to number your pages of course. Graphics are a little bare on some of the pages. Even if you could reuse some of your product pics, interspersed throughout? (That way they'd either be already loaded in a browsers cache and appear right away, or if they came before the product page, then the product page would load a bit faster as well.)
But all in all. I have to say.......ya done good, David!
Jego
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