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Ginny

 

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Lost navigation bars - 7/9/2001 20:55:00   
I haven't used FP publishing before, only FTP. Whilst trying to work out what to do, I published my site onto my harddrive. As a result my navigation bars have vanished. What have I done and how do I retrieve them please?
Are there any foolproof guides for publishing using FP or is it meant to be simple?!
TIA Ginny
Goober

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/9/2001 20:16:00   
It couldn't be simpler.

File > Publish Web > type in the url or file name on your hard drive > OK.

How did you do it?

Sandy

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Ginny

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/9/2001 20:20:00   
Thats what I did, and my navigation text created by FP insert>navigation bar(based on the navigation structure in Nav. view)has vanished. I've now published it onto the web and they haven't returned ( I thought the FP server extensions might remedy the problem)
Also, using FP 'publish', how do I take the site down whilst I make changes? I'd rather it wasn't on view till its sorted?
thanks

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Goober

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/9/2001 14:08:00   
I suspect you'll have to go in live and delete the files, then once you have it presentable again, re-publish.

I would recommend creating a working copy on your hard drive then publishing to your server...personal preference. That method just feels safer to me.

Sandy

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Ginny

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/9/2001 17:05:00   
Sorted! (I think).I deleted each file in Navigation view and re-dragged the file back into place again. The nav. links reappeared. Hopefully when I republish they'll stoll be there!
By the way, what does 'editing live'mean exactly please?
thanks!

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Goober

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/9/2001 20:03:00   
Editing live means you access your site on the server. File > Open Web > type in the absolute url...http://www.xxxx.com/... > Open. It opens up looking just like when you work on your site on your hard drive.

You can make changes and save, then the changes are immediate. The down side is that you no longer have an up-to-date copy of the site on your hard drive.

I hope you've found the problem and can just re-publish to take care of it.

Sandy

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Ginny

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/10/2001 23:06:00   
Just re-published and the links are still missing and now my background file is corrupted and not displaying properly. Is there any way I can I delete the published files as I could with FTP and then publish again from scratch? (would it help at all?)
cheers Ginny

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/10/2001 13:36:00   
Ginny, let's make sure you have a good copy on your hard drive first.

Open your web in FP then File > Preview in Browser. This will give you the best indication of how your web is going to look and work online. If there are problems here, there will be problems online.

Without more information I don't know why your background wouldn't work. Are you using a theme or adding a background to each page? There has been a time or two when I was using a theme I had modified, that I had to put the graphics in the theme again.

Something else that might help is to make sure your root web is nice and organized...all file names starting in lower case; no blank spaces in file names; no repeated file names like Cat.gif, cat.gif, CAT.gif; and it helps to keep track of things if your images are in the images folder.

To take your site offline, open it live as I explained in a previous post. In the Folder List at the top where it says C:\My Documents...etc., right click and delete.

Hang in there.
Sandy

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/10/2001 17:01:00   
In Front Page 2002 (office XP), there is an FTP like listing of server files when you use the publish feature. If you have 2002, you can delete files directly off the server.

A second option would be to rename your intial page to index1.htm or default1.htm and create a new initial page that just doesn't go anywhere. If you are pretty sure that people aren't surfing into alot of other pages on the site, this will work.

Another thing you can do is open the site live and delete it off of the server manually. Just open Internet Explorer 5.0 or higher and go to your website. There will be a little icon (probably next to your print or mail icon) that will include the option to edit with Frontpage. If that icon is not available, Click View> Toolbars and you can add the edit icon from there.

You will need to use the username and password used to publish to the web to open it live, but then anything you do will be reflected on the server itself.


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Ginny

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/11/2001 20:26:00   
Hi Sandy,
the background I'm referring to is a side border created in photodraw, with a gradient fill right to left, and a solid top border. I saved his as a FP background template and used it in each page. I also used another in a different colour for a different set of pages. (that's not displaying properly either)
When I first published, it displayed fine. It still looks fine in 'preview in browser'.
I needed to make alterations after publishing and when I re-published the border had broken down into stripes of colour rather than the gradient. (I hadn't done anything in the meantime that should have affected it, and everything else is ok)
What do you think?

p.s going back to the query on vanishing nav bars, i discovered the culprit was the dreaded 'absolute positioning'. From where I am sitting (happy to be proved wrong)it causes more problems than it's worth....


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Goober

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/11/2001 20:31:00   
Absolute positioning is not cross browser compatible. Tables are the way to go.

I'm not sure what has happened to your graphic. Occasionally a file will become corrupt. However, if you've cleared your caches and it is still previewing in browser ok, then it is probably fine.

If you could post a url, I'd be glad to look at it and tell you what I see.

Sandy

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Ginny

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/12/2001 20:39:00   
Hi! well everything seemed ok yesterday, made some changes, re-published but still problem with graphic and some nav bars were there but not others. As I worked through the pages (50 ish) the graphic became sharp and the nav bars miraculously re-appeared!

Went into it today and guess what? some were there some not. Graphic ok in places not in others. Went into the site live, looked in the folders only to find pages from another site we made (hosted by the same co.)all mixed up. That site was created v.simply in MS publisher and uploaded with FTP.(from a different PC) That site has now vanished, taken over by the FP site! HELP!
The host co. are looking into it...but suicide is looking like a pleasant alternative.......What is going on here? do I delete the whole lot off the server and start again?
Sandy, the URL is www.nma-international.com if you would take a look..
Ginny


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Bill Nicol

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/12/2001 20:50:00   
Wow, I know you didn't ask for an opinion, but I think the site looks brilliant !! I popped in for a look this morning but don't know which graphics might be missing. Everything looked pretty darned good...

Only thing, on the International investors page, the green on green to the left didn't work for me....a bit hard to distinguish. I'm using IE5.

A very cool site...


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Ginny

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/12/2001 20:55:00   
Bill, what a sweeheart you are! that meant more to me than having my problems solved!(but that would be good too! )
Ginny

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Bill Nicol

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/12/2001 23:12:00   
Just wish I could help more with the problem, but you're in good hands with a very helpful Sandy.

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Goober

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/12/2001 15:13:00   
That is just too weird about the sites getting mixed up. The only thing I can imagine is that someone accidentally uploaded to the wrong site? sure beats me!

Anyway...I would probably clear out the site to get rid of the unwanted files and publish anew, so you will have only the right stuff on there.

Also, warn those you work with that if they ftp to your site they could corrupt the FP server extensions and that would make you very angry. Turn real red and stomp your foot for emphasis.

Regarding your layout...You really, really need to get rid of the absolute positioning. It's messing things up badly in NN.

As far as your tables...You should have the left column set at a fixed pixel width since it needs to stay the same size all the time. The body part, where you have your content can be set with percentages (100%). The rule is, you can mix pixels and percentages, but the percentages must always add up to 100%.

Another rule about tables...if you have cells set with pixel widths, you need some kind of graphic, even if it's a clear .gif, inserted that is the same width. Otherwise, it will collapse or change sizes.

Double check your file names, too. I saw one that had a space in it. I believe it was a graphic. Remember...lower case letters...no spaces.

This site is still under construction, right? I looked at a couple of pages that were supposed to be forms but there were no fields.

Hang in there.
Sandy

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Ginny

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/12/2001 16:12:00   
I really wish someone had given me a list of rules when I started out on this site. Teaching yourself from scratch there's a lot of trial and errror...the errors turning it into a bit of a mess 'en route' I've a fair bit of tidying up to do I know! It's embarassing when a professional casts a critical eye over the chaos!!

Can you explain the use of a clear.gif please? or is there a post on this somewhere? I'll have a look!
cheers Sandy

Ginny
ps how did you know I'm renowned for turning red and stamping?!!


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Bill Nicol

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/12/2001 16:18:00   
Hi Ginny,

I just hope that in the turmoil of changing things, you are still able to retain the look of the site as it is. I think it's smashing.

Also, I knew Sandy would come through. I've watched her help several people through their tribulations successfully.

Have a great day.....


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LB

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/12/2001 16:46:00   
In your image program, create a 1x1 pixel gif (or 5x5, 10x10, whatever... it can be resized as needed) and save it as a transparent gif. Many people name this clear.gif and use it wherever needed to hold cells open.

Very old browsers do not support transparent gifs, but thankfully not many viewers still use these.

Linda


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Goober

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/12/2001 17:11:00   
Ginny, please don't be embarrassed about us looking at your site. All of us are still learning. I know I started by reading thousands of pages in design and how-to books, then finally found this site.

Some of us routinely ask others to critique our sites. I get corrected and have suggestions made to me more often than not. I have found this to be most helpful, and my sites are better for it.

Just remember, when someone makes a suggestion or gives a critique, they are giving their opinion on what would make the site look or work better. It is never a personal attack.

Just keep plugging away.
Sandy

PS Can you shoot fiery darted looks? That's a good one, too.

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Ginny

 

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RE: Lost navigation bars - 7/13/2001 20:40:00   
yup, I can do those! can you do the steam coming out of your ears whilst stomping feet? I find that quite effective

Recovered from the embarrassment,its the trouble with wanting everything to be right (if not perfect)first time...!

Been through the site again tidying etc. now trying to make sense of the baffling email from the host co. re. why 2 websites are now one..(give me strength someone?)

still smiling (through gritted teeth)
Ginny


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