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PeterKent -> server timeout with large Web site (1/14/2002 17:43:27)

I have a 1200-page FrontPage site, and I'm trying to transfer it to Hostway. Each time I do so I can transfer all the pages, but after a few minutes of "processing updates" I get a server timeout message.

Hostway say that the site is just too large, and suggest breaking it into subwebs. But I'm concerned that if I do that I'll run into other problems ...

So, is there any other answer? Is there a workaround?

Thanks in advance!

Peter Kent




LB -> RE: server timeout with large Web site (1/14/2002 18:44:45)

Open both the web on your hard drive and the live web, then drag the folders from one to the other. You may need to publish after you're done just to "clean up" anything that needs server extensions and to make sure you didn't miss anything.

Future updates can also be done by dragging files.

Linda

Frontpage Web Templates



Wes -> RE: server timeout with large Web site (1/18/2002 11:59:18)

Most likely is your site exceeds the size of your space on the host and you will have to ask for more space.




asher -> RE: server timeout with large Web site (2/3/2002 8:29:47)

I am having the same problem too, but with FP 98.
The messages says:
"the server"" timed out. The current request did not complete successfully"

I have tried to upload the page a couple of times already. It uploaded successfully about 2 months ago.
Also, my site does not exceed the space on the host, as it is only about 18MB and my host provides 50MB.

What do you mean by opening the live web and dragging folders?



caywind -> RE: server timeout with large Web site (2/3/2002 13:56:17)

FrontPage live
There are two ways to work in FrontPage. I’m on version 2000…

1. Working on a “disk based web”. This means that you are working from your hard drive. Once the web is ready to be launched, you Publish or Transfer the files using FTP.

2. Working on a “server-based web”. This means that you have a direct connection to an web server that has the FrontPage extensions set-up for your web. This is what people are talking about when they say editing the web “live”. Changes to the web take effect immediately upon saving.

To work on a web “live”. Go to File—Open Web… In the dialog box near the bottom is the line that says “Folder name: ” type your URL here, like this; http://www.nnnnnn.com, where nnnnn is your domain name. If the extensions are working then you get asked for user name and password, and another beautiful website begins…


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caywind -> RE: server timeout with large Web site (2/3/2002 14:26:13)

Server has timed out
On a large website you may get an error message that says “The Server has timed out” when you publish.
Servers can be configured for a time limit for non-activity on a connection. If nothing happens on a connection for a period of time the server breaks the connection automatically because it assumes that the computer operator (you) has fallen asleep or something… The first time you publish a web in Frontpage it has to do a thing it calls “calculating” or something like that. Well, to the web server “calculating” looks like nothing is happening on the connection and kicks you off. “The Server has timed out”

One solution is the brute force approach. Keep publishing over and over until it finally completes. I have done this successfully. Took about 6 Publishes, each one getting a little farther in the process until it finally got it all. Or…

From LB -
quote:
Open both the web on your hard drive and the live web, then drag the folders from one to the other. You may need to publish after you're done just to "clean up" anything that needs server extensions and to make sure you didn't miss anything.

Good solution! A simple file copy. Technically speaking (argh) you will be transferring your files from a Disk-based web to a Server-based web. Open two FrontPages, go to folder view in both. One is the web you have created on your computer and the other is the web at your web Host. If you drag a folder from the FP that has your web in it to the one at the Host…it copies! Copy your folders to the web server in pieces and then Publish and it should complete. I have used this trick before, one time I had to move a very large site (100+) megs. I organized the graphics into folders, copied those folders up to the host one by one and viola, it all worked. You might just start with the graphics and see how it goes


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asher -> RE: server timeout with large Web site (2/6/2002 10:13:31)

Thanks for all your help :)
I'm starting to understand more about FP.

But I'm not sure how to open 2 FrontPages, so instead I opened up my web on the host in FP and also in Windows Explorer and dragged the files into FP, since the web in FP shows the pages before the update and the files in Windows Explore show the pages after I changed them but did not upload them.

It works well, but when I view my page on the net, the background doesn't show. I looked at the source and it says "../images/nameofimage.jpg
Do I need to replace the ".." with the with the location of the file on the web, for example http://members.tripod.com/myweb/ ??

Sorry about the lack of computer jargon. I write this really late at night, so I don't understand most of what I'm writing either.

Anyway, thanks for your help :o)





caywind -> RE: server timeout with large Web site (2/7/2002 2:10:50)

sorry late night here too. It is done using FP in one window and Windows Explorer in the other. I guess it could work if you had two webs open...

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tarheel -> RE: server timeout with large Web site (2/7/2002 2:25:59)

Isn't it amazing that this question comes up just about more than any other?

Here's how to get around the disconnection thing.

Normally you cannot FTP to a server setup without killing the extensions. But when publishing a large site do this:

1) Uninstall FP extensions on your host server.
2) FTP your website to the server AND STOP THE UPLOAD WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT 80% DONE! VERY IMPORTANT!
3) Reinstall FP extentions.
4) Proceed with the FP Publish process and choose "updated pages only" publishing option.

FP will then publish the remaining unpublished content and then plug in the extensions and your done!

Phil

"If God is not a Tar Heel, then why are hyperlinks default-colored Carolina blue?"
http://www.1awebhosting.com
1A Web Hosting for Frontpage.



Amelia -> RE: server timeout with large Web site (2/7/2002 20:56:23)

Hi,
I have the same problem with one of my websites... it is quite large and normal FP publishing was timing up.. so I now open up my dev site & live site & copy & paste the files across. However, this tends to cause the search function to stop working. So.. on those nights when I cannot sleep & there is hardly any traffic on the internet I open up my live site, go to tools, select recalculate hyperlinks & let it do its thing. This will get the Front Page search function working again. I've found there is less chance of it timing out when there is less traffic on the internet.

Another option would be to get faster access to the internet. But, I live in Australia & the telco's have stopped rolling out cables for internet access & in my area cannot get any access quicker than a 56K modem.. maybe you can. But.. if you opt for satellite connection.. from what I've been told this will give you quicker access downloading files to the internet.. but not uploading.

Also, you could try dividing your website up into subwebs, this will make publishing easier.

all the best, Amelia




tarheel -> RE: server timeout with large Web site (2/9/2002 0:12:04)

What Amelia says is another good way to circumvent the problem, but when you-drag-and-drop your files, you will not be able to utilize the extensions-dependent functions because they haven't been "hooked up" by the publish process. So, if you're not using forms or shared borders, etc., then drag-and-drop will work.

I'd never heard the "calculate hyperlinks" as a way to get the search function working. Thanks!

Phil

"If God is not a Tar Heel, then why are hyperlinks default-colored Carolina blue?"
http://www.1awebhosting.com
1A Web Hosting for Frontpage.



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