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placing a word document in web page - 1/14/2002 21:25:02
This is a little hard for me to explain but I"m going to try. I want to place a word document in a web page. I did the cut and paste and it worked but the document when printed needs to have page breaks so that the tables aren't split into. How do I accomplish that.
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/14/2002 22:43:41
It's best to make your tables as needed on the web page, copy the word doc, paste into Notepad to remove the formatting and extra coding, paste into FP.
You might also try pasting directly into FP by using paste > special, but I can't remember if that strips out the Word coding or not... you don't want all the extra stuff that comes along with a Word doc.
If you need to have the Word doc kept intact and printed out a certain way, you should convert it to a pdf file.
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Edited by - LB on 01/14/2002 22:45:13
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/15/2002 9:47:04
Most of the time I copy the info from word to notepad.
However you can copy word document to frontpage & go to format & remove formating. Then you add the formatiing to your webpage.
It works pretty well.
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/15/2002 12:27:57
If you must page-break, here's the thread where I learned how to force a page break in an HTML page....
http://66.155.126.102/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8852
Hope it helps...
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/15/2002 13:12:57
The information about cutting & pasting is good advice. To "force" page breaks use CSS:
To breal before a paragraph: <p STYLE="page-break-before: always">text in the paragraph</p>
To break after a paragraph: <p STYLE="page-break-after: always">text in the paragraph</p>
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Bill Seper
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/15/2002 14:57:36
Linda took the words right out of my mouth. That's one of the things about PDF that makes it useful; you get out of it exactly what you put into it.
BTW, I hope someone sees this here and answers it for me because I'm a little embarressed to start a thread about something so basic, but...I know how to remove the formatting from a Word Doc by copying into notepad but darn if I've ever figured out how to go the other way. Surely there must be some easy way to take an html doc and change it into a Word Doc without losing the breaks? No?
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/15/2002 15:12:30
I don't know about that one, but isn't there something about highlighting the entire WORD text and hitting SHIFT+SPACE to remove formatting????
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/15/2002 15:15:00
Bill,
I'm not sure if this is what you want but you can select all > copy > and paste into word. Then just save as a word doc. If the page is in a table (like this one is) you can go to table properties and select not to break across pages and voila. It's not perfect but it works. For the record you can also open a web page (or an entire site) in Acrobat and save it as a pdf document complete with functioning links. Hope this is useful.
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/15/2002 18:18:48
One sure way to not lose your formatting going from HTML to Word is to open the file in Word.
Just save the file, close Notepad or the document in FP, start Word, open the file. Remember to change the file filter to look for web documents instead of Word documents.
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Bill Seper
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/15/2002 18:55:47
Arnie; I tried the shift/space thing and it just deleted everything, there must be another step involved in that I guess.
Mike & Mic; I suppose I wasn't clear enough but what I want is to be able to highlight any html I see and remove all the html formatting so that all I'm left with is plain text but with the breaks and indents intact. Then I could apply any formatting I wanted to with Word. The ways you guys were talking about would keep the text in what Word refers to as "Normal(Web)". I want just plain "Normal". Or better yet...just plain notepad text. Darn if I can figure out how to do that without loosing all the breaks and indents though.
If there's no way to do it then I hope some programmer reads this and takes on the challenge. I bet it would be easy to make a little plug-in for notepad that would do exactly what I want. If he sold it for just 10 bucks I suppose every web developer on the planet would buy it.
Edited by - Bill Seper on 01/15/2002 19:01:14
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Gil
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/15/2002 22:07:33
Attempting to figure out how to get the content MS Word document into a HTML file without it causing problems is like trying to use a chain swa to trim your rose bushes. Word is a "Desk Top Publishing" tool designed to produce letters and other documents for print. Frontpage is a HTML RAD (rapid application development) tool. Software development & Web development is like any other "job", using the right tool makes it a lot easier...
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Bill Seper
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/15/2002 23:08:40
Hey, ya know, I think I just figured out the biggest problem with it. If you create a text in Word and then copy it to Notepad and then into FP--no problem. Unless you use indents. Notepad will remove those. And for the heck of it I pasted the Word code directly into FP with the indents and boy did it not like that! Gave extra breaks to it.
Well, you can make text in Word without indents and then paste to Notepad and then FP and no problem. You can also reverse the process, afterwards highlighting everything you just pasted into Word from FP and chose "Normal" from the stlye menu and it changes it to a Normal Word Doc with no problem. But (and this is the clincher), if you create text in FP normal view, you'll find that FP creates a <p> closing tag </p> for every new paragraph you make. That's what screws things up--it's the ending tag.
Now create text in word and then place it in Notepad and then FP. Look at the html view. Aside from the long strings of text you'll notice that there's only one paragraph tag at the top of the page and then one closing tag at the bottom after the last line of text. You can go back and forth all day without screwing anything up because there's no html closing tags being created that way. It's only when you create text in FP that you get those.
It's that darn closing tag.
Here's a thought: I don't have Dreamweaver on my machine anymore but it used to have a FP cleanup feature that would automatically remove closing tags that weren't really needed such as the </p> tag. I wonder what would happen if you took text you created in FP and then put it through Dreamweaver's cleanup function. Then took the text from Dreamweaver, put it into Word, highlighted it, and clicked "Normal" in the style box. Bet that would do the trick.
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Gil
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/16/2002 6:19:20
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Here's a thought: I don't have Dreamweaver on my machine anymore but it used to have a FP cleanup feature that would automatically remove closing tags that weren't really needed such as the </p> tag. I wonder what would happen if you took text you created in FP and then put it through Dreamweaver's cleanup function. Then took the text from Dreamweaver, put it into Word, highlighted it, and clicked "Normal" in the style box. Bet that would do the trick.
The </p> is not the problem, it's valid and required for XHML 1.0
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/16/2002 12:38:22
No Gil, it really is what's messing up the breaks when taking text written in FP and transferring to Word. Try typing a few paragraphs in FP and then moving it to Word or Notepad and you'll see what I mean. I think though that you also need to make the carriage returns in FP for some reason. I don't have a clue as to why carriage returns parlay into this though....
Or were you just pointing out that the closing </P> tag is supposed to be there now with the latest html standards? I know you're right about that which is why I don't use Dreamweaver anymore. I mostly just used it for that code cleanup feature but I began to realize that those ending tags that Macromedia referred to as unecessary would indeed be necessary one day so I started to leave them in.
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/16/2002 15:58:09
That's probably the case. The problem is how the two programs assimilate </p> and <br> tags.
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/16/2002 18:29:51
I wonder why the carriage returns make a difference though? It's not like there's a tag for them. Oh well; I've never figured out why God gave me a belly button, nipples and back hair either. Maybe ignorance is bliss eh?
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Gil
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/16/2002 21:45:35
Sorry Bill, I didn't mean the </p> tag wasn't the cause of the problem, I don't doubt it is (sort of). The cause of the problem is really a lot simpler - using MS Word to author HTML pages! Word is for "printed" documents / HTML is for Web documents. The best solution is to NOT use Word for Web content - but if you feel you have to ALWAYS cut/copy and paste into notepad or wordpad first.
In my experience it's faster to retype in a HTML editor than it is to repair the "junk" Word produces.
And yes, I was trying to point out the closing </p> tag is a required tag for valid HTML and most sites will evolve to XHTML some day, so might as well make them compliant now rather than rebuild later...
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/16/2002 21:53:11
One of the things I like best about FP is that it gives you both a spell checker and a thesaurus. I don't really need Word for anything while doing web work because of that. I always thought that was a big selling point with FP 2000 when I bought it. I've never seen another html editor that had both of those items.
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/17/2002 9:00:24
Bill,
I have to agree with your last comment. I love Frontpage because of the spell checker & thesaurus. It makes working a lot easier.
IU have never had an instance where I need to use word 1st.
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/17/2002 18:41:16
My client gives me word docs (agendas and minutes of meetings). They said to just copy to notepad and paste. NOPE, it didn't work as these docs had columns and there was no way to copy and past those columns. So I went to PDF for those docs and everyone was happy ever after.
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RE: placing a word document in web page - 1/18/2002 9:53:20
I have to agree wholeheartedly with gil's commments about the right tool for the right job and btw thanks also to bill seper for sparking this discussion.
Different tools for different jobs.
One thing both programs have in common is the "paste special" command. suggest you try that.
speaking of tools for jobs btw have you all toddled along to www.evrsoft.com and downloaded yuor copy of Firstpage 2000 yet. I still think it's one one the powerful html tools around. Lovely interface around 450 free scripts .... oh yah nearly forgot it does have spellcheck and of course it's free.
Just thought I'd remind you all ...
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