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dfradin Posts: 180 From: Philadelphia PA USA Status: offline	Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 17:09:45 Hi, I'm somewhat in a bind right now. I have a client that wants to host with a non-FP supported web hosting company. I am 90% done with their site and really have only used FP for shared borders for the top, bottom, and left. Is this going to be easy to change it into just an HTML file to publish via FTP? I guess I need to use include pages or something in order to replace the shared borders. Any thoughts? Please help!!! Thanks, Dan _________________ www.keada.com


Mike54 Posts: 4791 Joined: 3/26/2001 From: Way Up Over Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 17:22:05 Set up some include pages to duplicate the shared borders. Hopefully you laid everything out with tables??? Add rows and columns as needed and put the includes where they are needed. Then eliminate the shared borders. I hope this isn't one of those "substantial" sites where you have to visit a thousand pages to insert the rows etc. Good luck. I think, therefore I am, I think. (in reply to dfradin)


DarlingBri Posts: 3123 From: Left of Centre, Cork, Ireland Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 17:29:24 If you have FP navigation in those borders, it has the potential to be a nightmare. There is hope, though, that it could be a basic 2--hour cut and paste job, however... is this site anywhere we can see it? A lot will depend on the way the tables are done, if there are any, etc. :) (in reply to dfradin)


dfradin Posts: 180 From: Philadelphia PA USA Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 17:29:53 I'll try your suggestion Mike54. I have setup everything with tables . The site right now only has about 20 pages so it shouldn't be too much of a concern. I have a quick question on includes though. I am playing around with it now and using Insert>Web Component>Page. Does this create a problem with a non-FP server? Thanks, Dan _________________ www.keada.com (in reply to dfradin)


Mike54 Posts: 4791 Joined: 3/26/2001 From: Way Up Over Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 17:33:40 Don't go too far, on second thought I seem to remember from somewhere that (FP) include pages require the FPSE. I think, and I need help on this, that you'll have to use server side includes. I think, therefore I am, I think. (in reply to dfradin)


DarlingBri Posts: 3123 From: Left of Centre, Cork, Ireland Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 17:36:35 You need to find out if the host supports either ASP or SSI. You will then need to hand code the includes. Stop using FP includes, 'cos they will NOT work on the new server. The include code is different for SSI vs ASP and also the page extensions (.asp and .shtml, respectively) so you really need to know what the info re. the hosting is! (in reply to dfradin)


dfradin Posts: 180 From: Philadelphia PA USA Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 17:38:39 Mike54, Includes seem to be working, but I do need to find out if it requires FP ext. I have a FP reference book, but there is nothing about it requiring FP ext. I've never used server side includes before. Do you have any resources that you could point me too? Thanks, Dan _________________ www.keada.com (in reply to dfradin)


DarlingBri Posts: 3123 From: Left of Centre, Cork, Ireland Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 17:41:06 Uh, hello???? Are my posts in invisble ink here???? You cannot use FP includes. You need to know IF you can use SSI or IF you will be using ASP. (in reply to dfradin)


Mike54 Posts: 4791 Joined: 3/26/2001 From: Way Up Over Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 17:44:03 I think there's a tear in the space time continuum. Is Spooky at work again? I think, therefore I am, I think. (in reply to dfradin)


dfradin Posts: 180 From: Philadelphia PA USA Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 17:45:11 quote: You need to find out if the host supports either ASP or SSI. Hi DarlingBri, Here is the web hosting info. They say that they support FP, but they no longer and still haven't updated their site. http://www.sgcinc.com/services/emailwebhosting.asp It looks like they do ASP. Do you have any good resources for me to look at? I have never really used ASP (this is a good opportunity to learn though). It is sounding like it will take some time to implement ASP to get the look I'm going for. The site in question: http://www.keada.com/iatl/index.htm It may be somewhat slow since I have not optimized any graphics yet. Thanks, Dan _________________ www.keada.com (in reply to dfradin)


dfradin Posts: 180 From: Philadelphia PA USA Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 17:47:33 quote: Uh, hello???? Are my posts in invisble ink here???? You cannot use FP includes. You need to know IF you can use SSI or IF you will be using ASP. Definitely NOT ignoring you ...I'm trying to "multi-task" and can't keep up with yours and Mike54's comments. Thanks for helping me! Dan _________________ www.keada.com (in reply to dfradin)


DarlingBri Posts: 3123 From: Left of Centre, Cork, Ireland Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 17:48:55 OK, if they say they support ASP, we'll go with that then. Give me half an hour to explain how to do this, and I'll be back. (in reply to dfradin)


dfradin Posts: 180 From: Philadelphia PA USA Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 17:52:23 quote: OK, if they say they support ASP, we'll go with that then. Give me half an hour to explain how to do this, and I'll be back. Thanks! I'll pop back in soon. Dan _________________ www.keada.com (in reply to dfradin)


puiwaihin Posts: 1378 From: Taiwan Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 18:29:53 Actually, include pages do not use FP extensions. Not sure about shared borders, but FP includes work when ftp'd. ---------- Who put the self-destruct button THERE?! (in reply to dfradin)


dfradin Posts: 180 From: Philadelphia PA USA Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 18:43:36 quote: Actually, include pages do not use FP extensions. Not sure about shared borders, but FP includes work when ftp'd. Are you sure? The following code is what FP uses when I use the "Include Page" feature: <!--webbot bot="Include" U-Include="topborder.htm" TAG="BODY" --> Shared borders are definitely out. Thanks, Dan _________________ www.keada.com (in reply to dfradin)


DarlingBri Posts: 3123 From: Left of Centre, Cork, Ireland Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 19:02:19 they will work when FTP'd to a server that has FP extensions. They will not work without server support for extensions. Dan -- This looks horrendous, but view source, copy, and paste the whole thing into a blank FP page in HTML view. (Take out all the code FP automatically puts in a blank page). Then you'll be able to see the table structure that is set up to work with with includes: http://www.darlingbri.co.uk/keada/template.asp Copy micro2.gif and menubottom.gif as well. At least this way you don't end up with a menu that stops half way down the page. The basic theory is that you make one page each for the header, footer, and left menu. You then include them by placing <!--#INCLUDE FILE="yourincludedfile.asp" --> in the HTML of the page where you want it to appear. A solid table controls the blocking of all the includes. You will have to re-do the menu from scratch, I think, because those look like FP menus to me, but I didn't look closely. Try the Vince's sliding menu, though, or you can find a menu similar to the one you've got somewhere, I'm sure... try dynamicdrive.com You have additional problems with your code as it stands. You're calling fonts nobody else has, and your table math does not add up. You have 515 pixles in the main body section to play with. Your table in the middle of that with your three little pictures adds to 595. (in reply to dfradin)


DarlingBri Posts: 3123 From: Left of Centre, Cork, Ireland Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 19:04:59 Sorry, the big point I forgot to make was... With a template setup with the includes, you can redo your site rather quickly by just repeating the template page and putting your main body contents from each of your 20 pages right into the middle... copy the tables, paste, done. ALL PAGES on the site MUST now have .asp extension. (in reply to dfradin)


dfradin Posts: 180 From: Philadelphia PA USA Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 19:24:54 Hi DarlingBri, Thanks for taking the time to help me. I'm going to play around with it tonight. Couple of things: 1) The font I use for the signature will be going away and made into a .gif. I just haven't had time to do it. Sorry. 2) I'm not sure what you mean by only 515 px to work with in the main body. Why? 3) The menu that I am using is a JS based script that I got from http://www.cerebuswebmaster.com. It's not FP based, but I need to put some JS in the HEAD section. I guess I'll have to play around with it to see if it works. Thanks again! Dan _________________ www.keada.com (in reply to dfradin)


DarlingBri Posts: 3123 From: Left of Centre, Cork, Ireland Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 19:50:23 mutter, mutter... As I said... you can use your menu. You only need to put the JavaScript it tells you to put in the head tags, into the body of the included page instead. As to why 535 pixles, if the top and the tables are 750 pixles wide - 175 for the menu - 40 for the white space = 535 for the body. ----- #!usr/bin/girl (in reply to dfradin)


dfradin Posts: 180 From: Philadelphia PA USA Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/6/2002 19:59:04 Cool. I see your point about the table. I forgot that the top border is not a shared border. It is actually looking OK now. Thanks again! Dan _________________ www.keada.com (in reply to dfradin)


ed1 Posts: 135 From: Annandale, VA USA Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/7/2002 19:55:02 I design in FP, but sometimes use KissFP to take all the junk out for a non-extension site. It makes seperate pages that work just fine. Real fast, too. � (in reply to dfradin)


LB Posts: 5551 From: Montana USA Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/7/2002 21:20:21 Whassup??? Yes, you can use shared borders, navigation bars, and include pages without FP extensions being installed. As mentioned, www.kissfp.com will make the job of ftp-ing easier, but any ftp program can do. Components that need extensions are scheduled include pages, fp search, fp discussion boards, fp forms... etc. more here...http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q194134 Linda Rose Templates for Valentines Day (in reply to dfradin)


dfradin Posts: 180 From: Philadelphia PA USA Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/7/2002 21:40:15 LB, I read the article...thanks. However, I need to use forms with this site and according to the article I guess I can't use FP page wizard to create them. Dan _________________ www.keada.com (in reply to dfradin)


DarlingBri Posts: 3123 From: Left of Centre, Cork, Ireland Status: offline	RE: Help...I have to drop FP ext for client - 2/8/2002 6:59:04 There's a form Wizard? Goodness, what will they think of next? Anyway, I make basic forms in FP all the time, and then just change the form "action" code to whatever non-FP thing I need. --Bri ----- #!usr/bin/girl (in reply to dfradin)