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Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/25/2002 21:48:00)
Oh, Yea Joe, Dogonit, I forgot to thank you for listing the various China sites... I will review them carefully and in depth. Regards, and thanks, Robert

godshall2 -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/25/2002 22:00:22)
You mean the Internet goes beyond the United States? When did that happen... he he Just trying to lighten the mood a bit:) Troy

Rangler -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/25/2002 22:05:30)
Hey Robert - Leave it Red and Fergits About it! Rangler Used up all my bad days, and U?

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/25/2002 22:38:28)
Thanks, Troy and Rangler! Geeeeze! The last thing I want is to hassle with people in here... There is no way to put a value on the help and education I've received in this forum! I really am thankful when a smile comes my way once and a while. I look forward to the good and positive, that I hear from you Troy! Thank you, for joining in Rangler... The commies are red, it's not my doin, so I will leave it red, as you say! Bye for now, an unmet friend to all of you, Robert

Mojo -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/25/2002 22:40:01)
Robert- I regret that you feel that members of the Outfront community are being too harsh in their critique of your site. I have not seen any post where someone was out of line. I think I may understand your frustration, I find myself in your position often. The thing that irritates me more than anything is time. It is obvious that you have spent a great deal of time on your site. The embassy page that has been mentioned in earlier posts looks like it not only takes time, but it looks very boring to do also. Stuff like that nobody wants to do over. I sometimes find myself convincing a client that method A is better than method B because I don't want to redo something. I always have to back off and tell the client "your right, it would work better this way". Doing that with a cheery voice is no small trick either. I hope you don't become annoyed to the point that you stop contributing to the forums. I think some of your questions in other posts have led to some interesting answers and have given people the opportunity to lend assistance. I feel you can contribute a lot to the forums. You are obviously passionate about what you do and take it very seriously. We need people like that. When members of the forum give out advice it may seem like criticism (sometimes it is...), but it is done with the intention of bettering the site and the Outfront forums. If we are always a glowing towards each others work we would loose our credibility. You asked "What is it, that causes self appointed experts, such as yourselvs, to become involved? the answer is: you asked us to become involved. Robert, you are not the first person to get a little upset at the opinions of others on these forums -- and I promise you will not be the last. You have received some great compliments from many members on other posts and this post. I, just as another poster, think your graphic and logo work on the China site are very good. Much better than what I can do.... which is why you have not seen me asking for criticism my on design work! I KNOW what people will say! I am a developer that gets thrown into design from time to time... and it shows. I hope you still participate in the forums. Remember, you WILL get upset at what people think, but also remember that those are the times when you can gain something. I don't know your face, I have never heard your voice, I have no idea how you dress, but I know you are not a failure or you would never have the courage to build something and show it before peers and clients. I look forward to helping you and hopefully someday being helped by you. Joe

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/26/2002 0:56:53)
How, good of you to reply, Joe... You could have turned away, as others may. Some of the replies that I receive here, cause anxiety, near excruciating. I am suprised that anyone would consider that my input here would be of value other as an excellent example of ignorance, and that others would be thankful they didn't have to ask the dumb questions, but just learn from the answers... That you have taken the time, to respond well thought, makes it easy to agree with you. There are folks here, that more or less feel that I do not want,respect, nor appreciate their opinions, critiques and points... The opposite is true. I scrutinize each comment with riveting seriousness. I save each response of any conseqence for future review. More than once, I've reviewed past posts, and said, Yep, they were right, I wish I'd have done what they suggested, instead of waiting til I'm buried in web hell! The points that you've made, have helped me greatly in copeing with, the ideas and views presented by other forum members. Believe me everyone, I am absolutly not rejecting or insulting you, because I haven't made the changes that you have suggested. I've been told repetatedly by people here, who read my posts before I send, that I am so sarcastic, that it's a wonder that anyone will even speak to me. I admit that, So therefore, I appologize for that (that would be a small appology). Thanks, Joe... and to any others of you, that my have a good thought towards me. How about,lets flush this and do something else now!? Adios, Roberto

Gil -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/26/2002 7:18:40)
I've been reading and chuckling... After spending more years than I like to admit in the advertising business, I have to say, color is a VERY important part of any ad effort (and like it or not a commerical web site is an ad). Colors do not tend to cross cultural lines very well and RED is a prime example; To most westerners the color red denotes danger or at the very least caution - In thje Orient and especialy China RED is a most auspicious color. It helps to keep evil away. Now, Robert, I don't remember anyone saying they didn't like RED, just that it was hard to read? Persoanly, I would use RED as the accent color and use CSS to place a white background behind the text for readability. And before you ask about my crditentials - Nothing that would interest you or the others. Cheers all.... Gil Harvey The Host Factory Resellers are our Specialty Find a Web Professional

PBailey -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/26/2002 7:51:30)
Hey Robert, Let us know when you get the finished product done. I went in and looked again. I liked some of the changes you have made. Paula

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/26/2002 12:29:13)
Thank you for your point, Gil... Very interesting and informative,concerning peoples attitude about color in various parts of the world, I didn't know about the warding off evil thing... but I do notice that everything in the big cities in China, from mueseums to govt. exibits is wall to wall red, like red walls, red lights, red cloth under every exibit, red backgrounds, trimmed with black and encrusted with gold. while most of the people, and ordinary places appear to be mostly grey! All of our stop signs are red, a red cape is waved at the bull! I'm amazed, this is a huge learning event for me concerning using color in advertising! I know that I wouldn't buy a red car, I rarely if ever wear red clothing, and don't care for red food much either! My wife writes with a red pen and I hate it! On the other hand there are continuous accolades heard coming from the advertising industry when someone is able to succesfuly depart from the cookie cutter mold, and break away from the pack. I'm now thinking about, how best to allow visitors to input their opinion about the site. Any ideas out there on how to do that? Thanks, Paula, I'm very happy to hear from you! Thanks Gil, I haven't heard from you in a long time, You don't say much, but when you do it's a good thing... Last night my wife made some red jello, with out me knowing and just handed me a bowl, with a big grin... Bye for now, and thanks to all of you, Best to you all and regards, Robert

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/26/2002 16:18:20)
Paula... I'v made another change, to try make it easier to read, What do you think of this. http://www.chinaadviser.com/index.html Your friend, Little bobby wonderful "Lung Tik Chuan Ren" The sign of the Dragon

Bill Nicol -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/26/2002 16:52:32)
Hi Robert, My only complaint was that when I accessed your site, the bright red gave me a sunburn. And OBTW, I checked your profile.... <quote>"Lung Tik Chuan Ren" METAL DRAGON: The Metal Dragon is the most strong-willed Dragon. He is inflexible, unbending, and combative. He gives little regard to the feelings of others. This ruthlessness can result in a rapid rise to a position of authority, but often at the cost of destroying important relationships. It is futile to attempt to convince him that certain things are simply undoable. He will go it alone if he can't gain support. He succeeds because he refuses to accept failure. THE DRAGON PERSONALITY TRAITS The Dragon person is self confident and impulsive and consequently does not always listen to the advice of others. He is also a perfectionist and he sets high standards for himself. Although strong and decisive the Dragon is not manipulative or sly. He refuses to deceive or compromise and fails to spot subversive intent.He enjoys being in command and like an emperor holding court he eliminates obstacles until success is his. </quote> Bìλλ Ñìçøλ Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits.....

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/26/2002 19:25:11)
Fer criminey, sakes, Bill, Did you have to tell everybody? It's not my doing... Blame my Parents, they could of been romanitc some other time! I might have been the sign of the mouse. Sorry about the burn... I'm doing a search for a sun tan lotion affiliate contract, maybe I can get some Hawaiian tropic babes on the site! Thanks for your input.. Robert "Lung Tik Chuan Ren" The sign of the Dragon

Paula -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/27/2002 0:54:55)
Hi Robert, Don't know which Paula you were addressing, but I looked at the page and it does seem a little easier to read. I like the black border, it's a nice touch. Regards. Paula The more I learn the less I seem to know.

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/27/2002 3:55:04)
Thank you for responding, Paula... Slowly but steadly I seem to be working my way to a functioning site, Somehow I always have to do it the hard way. Thank you and all of the members and monitors the have added their part to the improvements... Geeze, I hope the next one is a little eaiser! I doesn't seem that I actually do a site that truly does have and end, One that I can be finished with and leave it alone... What about you folks, Do you ever truly feel that it's really finished? Bye for now... Bye for now. "Lung Tik Chuan Ren" The sign of the Dragon

Bill Nicol -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (2/27/2002 12:34:22)
LOL, sorry to let the cat out of the bag. Not to worry about the sunburn... it's this sensitive skin I inherited. The black border does help. Bìλλ Ñìçøλ Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits..... Edited by - bill nicol on 02/27/2002 12:36:33

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (3/6/2002 17:33:45)
Http://www.chinaadviser.com Was submitted to the search engines FEB,1st., Some engines accepted immediately, some won't be listed for some weeks yet... This is a partial report from the web server beginning Feb., 3rd... Looks as though China Adviser won't fail as predicted after all... I know, I know... these are only hits so they don't mean much... But at least they are looking at the site! Web Server Statistics for chinaadviser.com Program started at Sat-02-Mar-2002 08:08. Analysed requests from Sun-03-Feb-2002 00:42 to Thu-28-Feb-2002 23:56 (25.97 days). --------------------------------------------- General Summary General Summary: Monthly Report: Daily Summary: Hourly Summary: Domain Report: Directory Report: Request Report) This report contains overall statistics. (Figures in parentheses refer to the 7-day period ending 02-Mar-2002 08:08). Successful requests: 3,961 (1,163) Average successful requests per day: 152 (166) Successful requests for pages: 760 (264) Average successful requests for pages per day: 29 (37) Failed requests: 138 (22) Distinct files requested: 128 (104) Distinct hosts served: 181 (91) Data transferred: 44.435 Mbytes (15.276 Mbytes) Average data transferred per day: 1.711 Mbytes (2.182 Mbytes) --------------------------------------------- Monthly Report This report lists the activity in each month. Each unit () represents 20 requests for pages or part thereof. month: reqs: pages: --------: ----: -----: Feb 2002: 3961: 760: Busiest month: Feb 2002 (760 requests for pages). --------------------------------------------- Daily Summary (Go To: Top: General Summary: Monthly Report: Daily Summary: Hourly Summary: Domain Report: Organisation Report: Status Code Report: File Size Report: File Type Report: Directory Report: Request Report) This report lists the total activity for each day of the week, summed over all the weeks in the report. Each unit () represents 4 requests for pages or part thereof. day: reqs: pages: ---: ----: -----: Sun: 269: 60: Mon: 471: 69: Tue: 943: 174: Wed: 650: 118: Thu: 632: 143: Fri: 518: 104: Sat: 478: 92: --------------------------------------------- Hourly Summary This report lists the total activity for each hour of the day, summed over all the days in the report. Each unit () represents 2 requests for pages or part thereof. hour: reqs: pages: ----: ----: -----: 0: 283: 56: 1: 261: 57: 2: 241: 38: 3: 99: 29: 4: 195: 40: 5: 98: 13: 6: 110: 20: 7: 26: 8: 8: 43: 10: 9: 34: 7: 10: 33: 5: 11: 81: 16: 12: 132: 18: 13: 63: 15: 14: 119: 19: 15: 282: 42: 16: 235: 44: 17: 277: 44: 18: 223: 44: 19: 263: 54: 20: 242: 43: 21: 344: 49: 22: 187: 36: 23: 90: 53: Domain Report This report lists the countries of the computers which requested files. Listing domains, sorted by the amount of traffic. reqs: %bytes: domain ----: ------: ------ 2326: 55.16%: [unresolved numerical addresses] 941: 24.27%: .net (Network) 537: 16.35%: .com (Commercial) 36: 0.84%: .uk (United Kingdom) 19: 0.72%: .th (Thailand) 26: 0.67%: .ca (Canada) 20: 0.45%: .us (United States) 15: 0.44%: .org (Non-Profit Making Organisations) 10: 0.36%: .sg (Singapore) 9: 0.30%: .arpa (Old style Arpanet) 3: 0.19%: .es (Spain) 12: 0.15%: .nz (New Zealand) 7: 0.11%: .cz (Czech Republic) --------------------------------------------- Organisation Report (Go To: Top: General Summary: Monthly Report: Daily Summary: Hourly Summary: Domain Report: Organisation Report: Status Code Report: File Size Report: File Type Report: Directory Report: Request Report) This report lists the organisations of the computers which requested files. Listing the top 20 organisations by the number of requests, sorted by the number of requests. reqs: %bytes: organisation ----: ------: ------------ 2326: 55.16%: [unresolved numerical addresses] 177: 4.60%: comcast.net 153: 4.43%: rr.com 90: 2.13%: bellsouth.net 87: 2.46%: pacbell.net 70: 2.06%: attbi.com 61: 1.78%: midlands.net 52: 1.08%: chartersc.net 51: 1.68%: mindspring.com 42: 1.21%: ameritech.net 35: 1.04%: eircom.net 34: 1.03%: fortis.com 32: 0.91%: uu.net 31: 0.38%: golden.net 30: 0.58%: epix.net 30: 0.58%: cableinet.co.uk 28: 0.83%: alltel.net 28: 0.69%: cox.net 26: 0.56%: grid.net 26: 0.67%: sympatico.ca 552: 16.15%: [not listed: 48 organisations] China Adviser is just about complete, with a few adjustments need to finalize... Regards, and MANY THANKS to all of you that gave suggestions, and help, maybe I didn't do exactly as told, but I seriously paid attention to every thing told me here. You all know who you are, that helped me, so I won't name names... But, I can say for sure that I couln't have accomplished this job without the support from this forum! My gratitude to you all... Robert "Lung Tik Chuan Ren" The sign of the Dragon

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (3/8/2002 23:03:39)
Hi all, I'm starting to receive e-mail, sending compliments from various parts of the world!about http://www.chinaadviser.com I just copied these stats from the 1st. of march to today the 8th... I'm receiving nearly 150 hits a day. and got the first hits from AOL and Lycos today. -------------------------------------------- Program started at Fri-08-Mar-2002 05:12. Analysed requests from Fri-01-Mar-2002 09:03 to Fri-08-Mar-2002 00:00 (6.62 days). --------------------------------------------- General Summary (Go To: Top: General Summary: Monthly Report: Daily Summary: Hourly Summary: Domain Report: Organisation Report: Status Code Report: File Size Report: File Type Report: Directory Report: Request Report) This report contains overall statistics. Successful requests: 962 Average successful requests per day: 145 Successful requests for pages: 185 Average successful requests for pages per day: 27 Failed requests: 198 Distinct files requested: 132 Distinct hosts served: 59 Data transferred: 10.264 Mbytes Average data transferred per day: 1.549 Mbytes. Thanks very much to all of you that helped me get this off of the ground. Regards, Robert "Lung Tik Chuan Ren" The sign of the Dragon

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (3/10/2002 21:23:51)
OK, "I, caved in under the pressure", and got rid of some of the red! I realize that there tiny stripes in the table backgrounds, but at least the stripes aren't in the body. So are there any comments on these changes? I'll still like you, no matter what you say... http://www.chinaadviser.com/index.html Regards, Robert "Lung Tik Chuan Ren" The sign of the Dragon

J-man -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (3/10/2002 22:05:32)
What font program did you use to create you black titals at the top?

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (3/10/2002 23:31:08)
PSP 7.04 "Lung Tik Chuan Ren" The sign of the Dragon

Mike54 -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (3/11/2002 5:47:03)
I like it. Are you going to do it throughout? ah reckon, tharfo'e ah's, ah reckon.

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (3/11/2002 6:24:16)
Come on now, Mike! Don't put me on... When I read you liked it, I got the shakes. I'm going to change the whole thing, if you're serious. I'm just kinda looking for a little positive feed back, before I go to all of that work... Best regards, Robert Oh yea... How long is a piece of string? "Lung Tik Chuan Ren" The sign of the Dragon

Mike54 -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (3/11/2002 7:41:46)
I think by limiting the red it keeps it from blaring out at the visitor. Of course, I'm willing to tell you it stinks and save you all that work if you'll just point those brain teasers elsewhere. The best I can come up with is ten to the minus 33 centemeters but I don't imagine you were talking about Quantum Physics. ah reckon, tharfo'e ah's, ah reckon.

erinatkins -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (3/11/2002 8:03:50)
I think the site is a little easier to read now. Having white in the middle allows me to read the info better. When it was red & black it was harder to read. I like it better. Erin

Bill Nicol -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (3/11/2002 9:52:01)
Looking very good now....very good... Cheers. Bìλλ Ñìçøλ So.... what is under that kilt?

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (3/11/2002 14:10:23)
J-man... Sorry I didn't answer sooner. I learned to do those cutout fonts from the paint shop pro users group. Search for pspug and you'll find it. They provide live online classes, which I went to, You don't have to be a member, but you'll have more access to their support if you sign up. It's kinda a hassle to go the online classes cause you must down a program either PIRC or MIRC or some initals like that, so that you can access the classes. The pspug site will explain how to get the program. They also have tutorials, you can do at your own speed... The first time I went online to a class, I couldn't keep up with them... I was a problem causer over there too! It took about 3 months, but I went from not being able to use PSP to understanding the fundementals. Mostly it's about learning how to use the tools and their settings. Once you learn the settings you can make some progress. Paint shop pro is a worth while investment, that you will be able to use for years. I believe that there quite a few members and monitors here that use it. Regards, Robert "Lung Tik Chuan Ren" The sign of the Dragon

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (3/11/2002 14:28:24)
Erin and Bill, thanks very much for your encouragement... I'm beginning to see the light! OK, Bill no more brain teasers, but from now on, anywhere that you go in the world, you will always know the length of a piece of string... It's from one end to the middle doubled. Best regards, Robert, Porteous Clan Clan motto,"I byde my time". "Lung Tik Chuan Ren" The sign of the Dragon

enrightd -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (3/27/2002 16:01:18)
Please!!! No more Posts to this thread.

Dompros -> RE: Doesn't anyone like red? (7/29/2006 22:14:56)
Greetings, to all... After several years online http://www.chinaadviser.com/stats.html has received worldwide acceptance, being visited by thousands of viewers monthly from many dozens of countries. I returned to review this thread and to thank the members of Outfront for all of the input that has made ChinaAdviser a huge success... Chinaadviser is now being translated into the Spanish language. Best Regards, to all of the many members of Outfront for their insight and comments… Your unmet friend, Robert

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