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Charles W Davis -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (3/9/2002 20:25:28)

I am so glad to have cable Internet access. The entire page downloaded in seven seconds! That means I could start enjoying earlier.

For an alternative, take a look at: http://www.kingwu.com

Enjoy!




john40004 -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (3/9/2002 20:52:04)

Well thanks Charles - just rub it in

At some point, God willing, cable/DSL access will come to rural Kentucky. Until then, I truly envy your ability to see all the pictures.

Those I saw were simply amazing

John

Age is a high price to pay for maturity.



tarheel -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (3/10/2002 4:36:44)

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Load time was 5 minutes 20 seconds at which point IE timed-out and all images from "Timed exposure of the tunnel from the Tunnel View parking lot" to the bottom of the page did not load. Based on the right-hand scroll bar, I was less than half-way down the page. Status bar also showed 40+ images left to load.



This same thing happens to me. I can't figure out why it stops downloading the images! All I do is hit "Refresh" on my IE browser and the rest load like normal. I even tell people that at the top of the page. But, there are so many pics I am going to have to do something. Just haven't figured out what yet.

Phil

"If God is not a Tar Heel, then why are hyperlinks default-colored Carolina blue?"
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LB -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (3/18/2002 13:23:29)

Hi, Phil -

When I used to be on my slow connection (under 24k) I never was able to load the whole page, no matter how many different times I waited for it to time out and then reloaded. My vote is still for full-size but multiple pages.

Linda



tarheel -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (3/18/2002 18:07:50)

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Hi, Phil -

When I used to be on my slow connection (under 24k) I never was able to load the whole page, no matter how many different times I waited for it to time out and then reloaded. My vote is still for full-size but multiple pages.

Linda


Yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do. Personally, I look at a lot of photo sites and they all have multiple pages and it drives me crazy sitting there clicking and clicking and waiting to see pages I might not have an interest in. My way, someone loads the page, and then goes to feed the dog, load the washing machine, etc and when they come back a set of nice pics is waiting for them. But that's just me. I've had so many disparate opinions on this question I'm only more confused. <sigh> What's a photographer to do?

Anyway, thanks for the feedback.

Phil

"If God is not a Tar Heel, then why are hyperlinks default-colored Carolina blue?"
http://1awebhosting.com
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Edited by - tarheel on 03/18/2002 18:11:39



john40004 -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (3/18/2002 20:23:04)

Hi Phil,
As I mentioned in prior postings above, your pictures are truly beautiful. The question is will viewers ever see them? The way the site currently exists, those of us with slow connection speeds never will.

I truly enjoyed the site and would connect to the "next page" link due to the quality of the pictures. The way it exists now however, I'll never see them. Somewhat similar to a cover letter on a resume, you grab your audience with the first page and the quality keeps you reading. So too as to your site.

Don't put yourself down as to the site. I'd gladly click on a next page.

John

Age is a high price to pay for maturity.



albino_lab_rat -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (3/18/2002 20:23:33)

I love your personal note. Made me laugh out load. Also, the pictures are beautiful. I think that if you split them up into different pages, by the time the viewer makes it through the first page, they will be hooked and want to check out the rest of the pages.


"I can resist everything except temptation." -- From "Lady Windermere's Fan," by Oscar Wilde (1854-1900).



tarheel -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (3/18/2002 22:16:57)

Well, how many to a page? 5? 7? 10? 5 sounds like a good number to me... Masybe that's how I'll go.

I'd ilke some opinions on why IE stops downloading after half of them are loaded... That's a wierd phenomenon.

Thanks again!

Phil

"If God is not a Tar Heel, then why are hyperlinks default-colored Carolina blue?"
http://1awebhosting.com
1A Web Hosting for Frontpage.



john40004 -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (3/19/2002 20:22:21)

Hi Phil,
Why not post a page of five pictures and we can tell you how it loads?

As to IE timing-out - maybe its "Internally Exhausted" Sorry, I just had to say that

John

Age is a high price to pay for maturity.



GolfMax13 -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (3/20/2002 0:40:15)

I guess I'm pretty late on this thread but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in nevertheless.

I'm a big fan of thumbnails. It's kind of like a courtesy to your guest, so they can pick and choose what they want to see and what they don't.

Having said that...if you would have thumbnailed that page I would have missed not only the beauty of such an awesome wonder but the beautiful story that went with it.

I've become accustomed to going as fast as I can through the WWW, "don't bother me with a lot of content, just get to the point". Maybe that's a reflection of the fast paced world we now live in. Had I treated your site that way I would have missed an opportunity to share a very personal experience...yours.

So I say Yes to thumbnails, usually, and Thank You for not using them.

Go Heels,

Joe

 ++++++++++++++
Murphy lives in
my spare bedroom.



tarheel -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (3/20/2002 1:10:34)

Thanks for the kind words. I'll start changing it over to 5 per page in the near future.

Phil

"If God is not a Tar Heel, then why are hyperlinks default-colored Carolina blue?"
http://1awebhosting.com
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Kokomo -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (3/20/2002 9:11:35)

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...it drives me crazy sitting there clicking and clicking and waiting to see pages I might not have an interest in.


If they aren't interested, they wouldn't be there in the first place!

If it were my site (which it's not), I think I'd put a few full-size photos at the beginning as a "teaser" - to let the visitors know that clicking the thumbnails will be worth their while. Which, by the way, it will be because you're photos are awesome. Then I'd do the thumbnails.

Have you thought about making at least a selection of your photos available as Windows wallpaper? Or heck, even create a wallpaper package to sell. You could probably safely leave out the butt picture though.





tarheel -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (3/20/2002 16:36:25)

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You could probably safely leave out the butt picture though.


<LOL> That guy was so funny to watch. And after I took that picture his butt-crack got more and more visible, if you know what I mean... and I was out of film by that time, so I'm very sorry I couldn't bring you that little episode... you just had to be there...

Phil

"If God is not a Tar Heel, then why are hyperlinks default-colored Carolina blue?"
http://1awebhosting.com
1A Web Hosting for Frontpage.



ronnyandme -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (5/1/2005 1:21:58)

Tar Heel, Thanks for sharing your extraordinary photos.  I was going to bed about an hour ago, but was so captivated by your site that I am now thirsty from gasping with awe.  Your comments triggered half the gasps.  Thanks, again!
Texas Volunteer



d a v e -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (5/1/2005 3:18:16)

i would still view your page on dial up but i would prefer thumbnails. amazing photos btw. :)



kevin3442 -> RE: To thumbnail or not to thumbnail... (5/2/2005 0:04:32)

Hi Tarheel,

I'll add my two cents.  First... I think the one thing everyone agrees on is: wonderful photos!  I cast my lot with those.  Very nice photos indeed!

I think everyone agrees that using thumbnails would drastically decrease load times, which is of obvious value to people with slower connections.  But there have been a few comments along the lines of... it'd be a shame to put such wonderful images in thumbnails, because (a) it would detract from their beauty and/or (b) people would miss many of the full-sized versions.  I'm not so sure I completely agree with either premise.  Can we assume that someone visiting your site is doing so specifically to find and view images of Yosemite?  If so, then such a visitor would surely stick around to see more than just a few passing images, whether they are thumbnailed or not.  Plus, the power of your images might compel people to click more thumbs than usual.  Let me explain:  Many people responding to this thread have said that they typically do not like pages with multiple full-sized images, because they take too long to load.  BUT some of the same people have said that their attitude was different this case, because the images are so captivating.  I think this "captivation effect" works in favor of thumbnails as well.  Certainly a visitor can be expected to click one or two thumbs to see one or two full-sized images.  In such an event, is it reasonable to assume that they would find your full-sized images so compelling (as many here did), that they would continue to click the thumbs to view additional full-sized images?  Another way to put it:  IN the replies to this thread, many who normally dislike pages with multiple full-sized images made an exception in this case.  Would people who normally click only a couple of thumbs make a similar exception in this case, and continue to click beyond their normal thumb limit?  I think it's a reasonable assumption that they would, based on the responses here.

I like the suggestion of using larger-than-normal thumbs... sort of a happy compromise.

I also like the idea of spreading the images across multiple pages and loading images for subsequent pages in the background.  By the time the user gets to the next page, most, if not all, of the remaining images may well have been cached.

This post in the Tips forum had a link to a photo gallery tool that I really liked.  Have you seen it?

I'm going back to your site now, to look at more of your photos!

Cheers,

Kevin




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