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28.8 still standard? - 8/11/2001 20:12:00
When I started working with FP, I set the "assume connection speed" to 28.8, since many people still had slower modems. Is that still the "standard" or can I safely up that to 56K in determining how many "slow pages" I have? Since getting a high speed cable modem, I have to constantly remind myself to be mindful of those who aren't so lucky. But I don't want to cheat myself out of nice graphics if no one logs on at 28.8 anymore. Barbara
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/11/2001 20:58:00
Things are getting faster all the time...for some people. Then there are those of us who live in the boonies. My thingy at the bottom of the screen says I'm connected at 24000 bps, but it's not unusual to cruise along at 200 bps during peak usage time. Talk about slow...and yes, I'm in the good old USA...not some 3rd world country. ![]("http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/ubb/smile.gif") Sandy ------------------
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/11/2001 15:36:00
Ive got a 56k but you wouldnt think it, im only getting 24000bps. Cant go much wrong if you still aim for 28k
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bbigham
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/11/2001 15:46:00
My goodness! I'm glad you two responded. I honestly thought I was the last person in the world to get out of the 28.8 slow lane. Even though I had a 56K modem, I could never log on at more than 26.4 or 28.8. Phone company said somethign about being too far from a switching station or something. And I live in a very developed urban area! I recently changed to a cable connection but I vowed I wouldn't forget what it was like to be trying to view a page designed by a webmaster with fast connection and no consideration. Guess I'll stick with the 28.8 assumption for now.
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/12/2001 16:02:00
Based on the research I've read very recently, about 40% of US users are at 56k. Can't recall exactly where I read that or I would leave a link to it. I could suggest, however, that if you'd like further info, search a bit at ZDNet, Forrester, Jupiter (jup.com), and/or Iconocast for latest stats. ...didn't know you could adjust the 'assume connection speed' thingy. Exactly how is that done? TIA Steve ------------------
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bbigham
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/12/2001 17:22:00
Steve -- in FP2000, there are two things you can do. First, when in page view, just click on the "X Seconds over 28.8 (estimated time to download)" box in the status bar. A pop-up menu will appear and you can choose from other speeds from 14.4 to T3. You can also set your default speed for the "Slow Pages" of the report view. Select View, Reports, Slow Pages, and pick the speed you want. Wow ... this is the FIRST time anyone's ever asked me a FP question and I actually knew the answer!<G> Barbara
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/12/2001 17:58:00
Barbara -Thanks for the tip, however, I'm just a dumb Italian. I don't see where in Reports > Slow Pages the default speed can be changed. Would you be kind enough to be more specific? TIA ------------------
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bbigham
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/12/2001 18:44:00
Steve -- that's because I wasn't very clear. I should have said, go to TOOLS ... OPTIONS .... REPORTS VIEW. There's an option for "assume connection speed" there. At least that's how it works in FP 2000 (don't know about the other versions)Barbara
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/13/2001 20:55:00
There's a free tool called webspeed that I now use all the time. It seems to me to be more accurate than Frontpage's estimates and has a feature that is very very convenient - you can set a "congestion factor" ie you can say "lets assume a 25% deleay on everything because it's a busy time on the web."you can get it here: http://www.tafweb.com just follow the software link Mark
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/13/2001 20:11:00
It is very true that even in the most developed areas, connection speeds can be really bad (usually due to old equipment and carriers that are unwilling to spend the money to upgrade for residential areas). Up until the time we got cable, we connected on average at 21.6 (and this was shared between two users!). We've only had cable modem accessibility for the past 10 months and many people in my area are still waiting. So, no, you're not the last to get 56k support!------------------
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/13/2001 20:44:00
I can top that. I live in a city (1.5 million) and can't get cable or dsl.------------------
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/13/2001 23:30:00
Yep...I'm in the "slow lane" as well. Highest speed I can get is 31.2 and that's cause for celebration. I find that sites are getting slower and slower for me as people make them "heavier" for high speed connections. It's driving me nuts....you have no idea how much I appreciate pages that load quickly. It's one thing to be able to have a sip of a favourite beverage while the page loads; it's another to be able to drive to town and buy the darn thing...and a week's worth of groceries at the same time. I'm only 30 mins outside of Toronto...5 mins outside of a town with cable....but, we're "rural" and ye ol' copper wiring still applies for us and thousands like us. It's just not cost effective for the powers that be to run fiber optic or cable out in the "boonies", so they don't. Not until we ARE the middle of a subdivision. So..."I" say, keep up the good work Barbara! Jego
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bbigham
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/14/2001 14:00:00
Jego ... your mention of getting a sip of beverage while you wait for a page to load makes me aware of one disadvantage of my new cable modem -- no more crocheting while I work. I literally used to crochet granny squares while waiting for the pages to load, and managed to finish three afghans that way. Of course, I remember when I used to log onto Compuserve at 300 baud, so I know I shouldn't complain even when I have to go on at 28.8! Barbara
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/14/2001 14:09:00
Here in Springfield, IL, cable is available to some, not to others. However, of those that have it, there has been a common complaint, and that is bandwidth. Speed is great until that particular switching station is saturated, at which time you might as well have a 28.8 connection.Jego, passed through Toronto a week or so ago on way to/from Ottawa and Maxville, was reminded how huge that city is. Amazing how it stays so clean and tidy. ------------------
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/14/2001 14:25:00
I can get cable no problem at work. At home, I had a 56K and I was connecting at max, 26.4. Recently purchased high speed Satellite modem and it is no better.------------------
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/15/2001 20:44:00
H-e-l-l-o-o, bbigham.I use the 56K standard also because I believe modems below 56K are on their last legs. I shoot for a 10 second download time or less. To get an overview of connection speeds, and more, check out the BROWSER NEWS at http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/index.htm. Connection speeds are shown on page http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat_des.htm in the PAGE LOAD TIMES section. Feast your brain ! ------------------
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bbigham
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/15/2001 13:13:00
Kingfish -- WOW!!! What an incredible site. It not only contained the statistical info I was looking for concerning how many people log on at 28.8, but a ton of useful other stats. Thanks so much for posting this!Barbara
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RE: 28.8 still standard? - 8/15/2001 17:50:00
As if 28.8 wasn't bad enough, the company I work for (and wear several hats, including managing the website) hasn't even sprung for a modem for my PC!Instead, they purchsed an additional license for FP so I could use the office manager's machine to upload changes... I use Cable at home, and as frustrating as it is sometimes, it beats the snot out of the 28.8 garbage I deal with here at work. I timed it, and it takes 19 seconds to DL this page! AAAAAAgggghhh!
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