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Fashion Plate -> "Name" a graphic? (3/15/2002 15:19:47)

How do I name a graphic so that when someone rests on it, the text I want to display shows? Thanks!!



Justjay -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/15/2002 15:26:00)

Double click the graphic when you have placed it in your website, then you will find a text box that says ALTERNATE text. There you go, that is what you are searching for....

Justjay
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Fashion Plate -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/15/2002 15:31:16)

When I double-click the image, it automatically launches it in Image Composer. How do I prevent this?




Richard Sterling -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/15/2002 15:31:21)

Double clicking the picture will most likely attempt to open it in your "default" graphic editing program.

Click the picture once so it is selected then right click and choose picture properties. Enter the text you want displayed on mouseover in the line labeled text. Click ok and save the page again.

 " as God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

Edited by - Richard Sterling on 03/15/2002 15:32:29



Gil -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/15/2002 16:25:27)

quote:

Double click the graphic when you have placed it in your website, then you will find a text box that says ALTERNATE text.


Actually ALTERNATE text is alternative text for text to speech browser for sight impaired visitors to your site. A better idea is to use the TITLE attribute that we've had since HTML4.0

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Fashion Plate -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/15/2002 16:54:28)

Okay! :)
I've done both.
Thanks, guys.
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www.thefashionstylist.com




Justjay -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/15/2002 17:47:27)

OK I want to give you the best information I possibly can because you have a few options available to you. What I mentioned earlier may be what you wanted but may be not what you wanted so here you go.

In essence Alternate or Title will be captured by Speech Synthesis software. The way I mentioned it earlier is quick and easy and the FrontPage method for adding a Hover Description. Below are a few extra details.

ALTERNATE TEXT -

If someone does not have their Display Images in Browser turned on what you type in for alternate text will display in the space that would have been taken up by your graphic plus, if they have their Display Images in Browser turned on, not only will they see your graphic, they will see your little text pop-up when they hover over your graphic/object.

Here is an example of what the code would look like....

<img border="0" src="../_images/headers/new.gif" alt="what's new - alternate text" width="300" height="50">

TITLE

If someone does not have their Display Images in Browser turned on they will see nothing, if they hover over the little X that is there instead of your graphic they will see your little text pop-up when they hover over your graphic/object X box.

Here is an example of what the code would look like....

<img border="0" src="../_images/headers/new.gif" title="what's new - title text" width="300" height="50">

Both -

If you add both in the HTML code you will have the benefit of BOTH! This is what the code would look like if you add both....

<img border="0" src="../_images/headers/new.gif" alt="what's new - alternate text" title="what's new - title text" width="300" height="50">

If you want to see these on a web page then I invite you to take a look at one that I set up for you at http://www.thejehm.net/tne/info/example.htm

I really hope this help you out!!! And I hope even more that I have not confused you even more :)

Justjay
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Gil -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/15/2002 19:56:15)

Good information from Justjay. Except not all speech browser do not "speak" the title attribute, but they do all use the ALT attribute.

BTW, Fashion plate - disabiling right click is a really good way to run users away from your site. Why would you do that?

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Fashion Plate -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/18/2002 10:27:11)

Wow - Thanks, Justjay, for such a thorough & helpful response & illustrated example! I really appreciate it. Gil - why would not being able to right click turn someone away? You should be able to get all the info. needed re my services w/o right-clicking being required. It's not a fool-proof safeguard as you probably know, but it is one of the few ways to copyright your work & prevent proprietary images from being used in ways you have not authorized. Any person I'd lose due to a non-right click, well, I'd have to wonder why they were right clicking in the first place.



Gil -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/18/2002 10:56:01)

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Wow - Thanks, Justjay, for such a thorough & helpful response & illustrated example! I really appreciate it. Gil - why would not being able to right click turn someone away? You should be able to get all the info. needed re my services w/o right-clicking being required. It's not a fool-proof safeguard as you probably know, but it is one of the few ways to copyright your work & prevent proprietary images from being used in ways you have not authorized. Any person I'd lose due to a non-right click, well, I'd have to wonder why they were right clicking in the first place.


I use right click to "Add to Favorites, Create Shortcut, Print ". And it does nothing to prevent copying and has nothing to do with copyright....

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Fashion Plate -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/18/2002 11:31:32)

I see.
I think if you'd ask most photographers, models, stylists, makeup artists, etc., they'd probably say they'd rather risk losing someone by disabling right click than doing nothing to try & protect their images, especially since (1)their livelihood depends on the exclusivity of those images (2)most users know how to "add to favs" & "print" the old fashioned, menu way, not taking that much more effort than a right click. I do appreciate your feedback though. If I was selling Milk Duds, I wouldn't care about the non-right click thing.



Shirley -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/18/2002 11:57:52)

I will give you a quick example.
My daughter was recently shopping for a wedding dress. We right clicked all of the photos and saved the ones she was interested in, printed them out then went and tried them on. One site had right click disabled. (I could still get the image if I wanted right click will not keep me from getting the image) but it I just said forget it and that dress never made to our list. It probably did not affect the designer but it could have cost one of the stores that carry the design a sale.

Gil and I may be in the minority but it really bugs me when sites do that. Like I said it does not keep me from getting the image, I just have to take a few more steps to get it. Why not water mark or do something similar to eyewire

Shirley

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Fashion Plate -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/18/2002 12:20:28)

I understand your example, but that is an apple & this is an orange.
No one can "try on" our work. It is a portfolio, not an example of what you can come in, buy & go home with. It's meant to be viewed & that's all. When I leave my book at an agency, they don't return it with pages missing. Why would someone have a need to have that image for herself, when it is not a product, but more of a reference to a style of work? BTW, what is eyewire? PS: I DO like the feedback & opinions.



Gil -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/18/2002 13:03:46)

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I understand your example, but that is an apple & this is an orange.
No one can "try on" our work. It is a portfolio, not an example of what you can come in, buy & go home with. It's meant to be viewed & that's all. When I leave my book at an agency, they don't return it with pages missing. Why would someone have a need to have that image for herself, when it is not a product, but more of a reference to a style of work? BTW, what is eyewire? PS: I DO like the feedback & opinions.


I fully understand the concern over a artist work being "stolen", but disabiling the right click does nothing to stop any one from copying your work - it only forces them to take two steps instead of one. So, you lose "some" visitors by disabiling the right click and do nothing to protect your images.

Gil Harvey
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Fashion Plate -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/18/2002 14:20:24)

You assume that "anyone" knows how to disable the non right-click. That is a broad assumption. The majority of people are not java-script literate & just know how to surf, that's it. I relayed I am aware it is just a deterrent, not foolproof. The crux of this is WHY I'll lose some visitors: Because they are unwilling to respect that someone is attempting to protect images & unwilling (stubborn?) to use a menu instead to accomplish their task. What other reason would I lose someone for over a non right-click? None I can think of. If you can think of one, I may change my mind. Wanting to try & protect images is a common, perfectly reasonable request. I would be "losing" users because they have unreasonably taken offense at the blockage, which I think (& many in my industry), is silly. Watermarks and printed copyrights help, but distract from the image. I don't mean to offend or argue, but there's no reasonable reason for a penalty over a non-right click. The reasons I'm seeing are subjective, pet peeves.



Lydecker -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/18/2002 14:39:13)

I have to agree that the majority of browsers (people) out there would not know how to either disable java or open temp. internet folder to gain a picture.

 



Lydecker -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/18/2002 14:44:57)

oh - and here's a tip if you want to 'nab' a graphic from a site that has right click disabled (without doing 2+ steps). Simply 'restore down' your bowser (so its not full screen) - then drag the image from the browser to your desktop/folder.

Much easier then diabling java or sifting through temp. internet files.

 



LB -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/18/2002 15:09:56)

Hi, Fashion Plate -

Each to their own... of course you may use the script if you like! www.eyewire.com is what was referred to above.

For anyone having images they'd like to protect, here is my general answer (please don't take offense! I am just trying to educate anyone reading and interested in this. )

---- If it's on the net, it's available. It's best to consider a digital watermark, possibly a visual watermark, and put copyright notices on everything.... password protecting and requiring sign-up isn't a bad idea if it's something you want to keep exclusive. Search at www.google.com for digital watermark.

---- Many people do right-click to bookmark and print. Those who aren't web savvy may not know another way to do so.

---- See Shirley's remark on this thread. For savvy users, many will find legimate reasons for saving images and will come back as possible future customers.

---- Thread regarding Google and AltaVista image indexing.

---- Not quite related, but here's a fun thread on hiding code

Linda



Fashion Plate -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (3/18/2002 15:53:12)

Thanks!
I really like the open exchange here of ideas, thoughts, opinions & information.
This debate has caught my attention; I'm going to look into alternate ways of "protecting" images, specifically digital watermarking.




LB -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (4/22/2002 12:30:19)

A tip from Rian: WinXP's browser (is that IE 6?) offers to save an image when you hover on it. To prevent the image toolbar, add this meta tag to your page:

<meta http-equiv="imagetoolbar" content="no">

Linda



OGREMAN -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (4/24/2002 12:31:06)

If copyright infringements are a concern, and you feel that watermarks take away from the image, and you realize that right clicking is a bad thing... Place a unique border around the image, increase the canvas height, and put a copyright at the bottom of the image. This ties the border to the image, and forces a thief to work to get what he wants. IF people want to steal your work they will steal it...



Fashion Plate -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (4/24/2002 13:03:15)

Great idea ... thank you.
Right now I'm in the middle of learning how to optimize graphics overall, so I have not removed the non-right click. But I will do it all in one fell-swoop. Probably putting text smack dab in the middle of the graphic so they will have to do some serious Photoshop pixel-coloring if they really want the image. I don't think my images are 10 on a scale of 1-10, & that they are so FAB-U-LOUS that everyone wants them ... but I am trying to deter any unauthorized usage. I'll let you know when I'm all done, which will be some time since I have a ton of graphics & it's taken me literally hours just to play/learn on a few images. Thanks again everyone.

The Fashion Stylist
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sdcowgirl -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (4/24/2002 13:57:07)

Hi, I was lurking in the background when I found the interesting posts on 'right click disable'. I am an artist. I use it (right click as well as disabling the tool box). The average surfer doesn't have a clue as to how to save an image if they can't right click it. Also.... if they're going to try and steal it off your site, they're probably not going to order the print or buy a piece of artwork from you anyway, so who needs them as customers? I do use watermarks and copyright messages also. Gotta do whatever works! Just business.




pageoneresults -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (4/24/2002 15:37:46)

Okay, I had to chime in here. Disabling the right click function is a no-no! You can justify all you want why you should use it, but the bottom line is don't use it.

If you want to protect your images, the only way to do it is through Digital Watermarking or Visible Watermarking. With Digital, you have many options available to you to search the internet for your copyrighted work that may have been stolen.

With Visible, it deters most thieves from using the images. Anyone who is knowledgeable in Photoshop could clone out the watermark but its not worth it.

Also keep in mind, that everybody's right click function may serve different purposes. Certain software installed on your system adds more functionality to the right click. The Google Toolbar for instance is a prime example. There is also an add on from IE that allows you to view link lists, images lists, etc...

And, if anyone is there to steal your images, you can be assured that they are not your average web surfer and know every workaround for the right click disable. You're only kidding yourself on this one and at the same time possibly alienating surfers who use their right click function for all the things mentioned in this thread and much more.

Here is a screen shot of what my right click function serves. You are going to see much more here than you probably see in your right click menu because I have added functionality. Part of this is from the installation of the Google Toolbar, the other part comes from the IE enhancement.

Right Click Menu

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Edited by - pageoneresults on 04/24/2002 15:40:00



pageoneresults -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (4/24/2002 15:46:37)

Lydecker provided a very simple solution to the right click disable. Anyone who knows the drag and drop features of Windows can easily click on the image and drag it to their desktop. Its that simple, you are not thwarting anyone from copying images. Here is another simple solution. Print Screen!

I can open FP right now and import your entire site to my local drive, images and all. There are just so many ways to copy things.

Everyone participating in this thread have brought up some good points.

The bottom line...

If you don't want it copied, don't put it on the Internet!. Plain and simple. There is no workaround for this. And let me ask you this, how many people are going to take the time to see who has copied their work and who is using it? Not many, and the only way to accurately perform this task is to use a Digital Watermarking software.

And on top of that, are you going to spend the thousands of dollars it will take to pursue the copyright infringement? Not unless these are masterpieces!

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Edited by - pageoneresults on 04/24/2002 15:58:26



Fashion Plate -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (4/24/2002 16:13:51)

I, for one, was convinced a long time ago that the non-right click is a no-no. Thank god none of my stuff is a masterpiece! ;) The most cost-efficient option for me is to slap some big-honkin' text right on top of the image & if it's worth it to them to go through the tedious pixel re-coloring then they've earned it by then (not really, but you get my drift). You're right, there's no way a sole proprietor such as myself can afford to pursue copyright infringement. All I can do is make it as tough as possible to use the image.

The Fashion Stylist
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pageoneresults -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (4/24/2002 16:35:01)

Hi there Fashion Plate. You are still justifying to yourself that the right click is an option. You said...

> All I can do is make it as tough as possible to use the image.

All you are going to do is upset those who have become accustomed to using their right click to perform surfing routines. I can guarantee you that the percentage of those right clicking to copy is less than 5%. Those that are right clicking for functionality is going to be a much higher number. Its your call, and those of us who know have given the best advice we can on why not to use it.

When you are viewing your logs and see an unusually high number of single page exits to your portfolio page, you can be assured that a percentage of those is possibly due to the right click issue.

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Fashion Plate -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (4/24/2002 17:01:03)

Huh?
You are misreading me.
When I said above

> All I can do is make it as tough as possible to use the image.

I meant by putting big honkin' text over the image, just like it says.

Just like it says, I was convinced a long time ago that the non-right click is a no-no.

Didn't you read the thread above where I said I am going to re-enable it?

Geez, the right-click police sure are out in full force today .. & not reading all the posts.



The Fashion Stylist
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pageoneresults -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (4/24/2002 17:31:03)

> You are misreading me.

I did, my apologies! I visited your site and the right click was disabled so I assumed that is what your statement meant.

I don't necessarily think you need to use the big Honkin' text. You can always use a subtle ghosted watermark of your company Logo or Brand Identity. A good example of this would be any of the major stock photo houses online. You can still present your images in a professional way and not Honk the text! ;)

Oh, and by the way, I am with the FBRCI, that stands for Federal Bureau of Right Click Investigations.

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Edited by - pageoneresults on 04/24/2002 17:33:09



abbeyvet -> RE: "Name" a graphic? (4/24/2002 18:03:47)

Here is a real example.

A photographer whose site I had nothing whatsoever to do with designing - he did it himself and a nice job it was - recently moved hosts and I now provide his hosting.

He called me one say just asking for general advice about his site, he wanted to start accepting creditcards and just needed some advice. I had a look at the site for the first time and on the second page I visited did what I always do if I want to go back - right clicked.

I was speaking to him on the phone at the time and I just said "Why, why do this?" and put forward all the arguements above. He was inisistent, not as flexible in his views as our current convert to the 'preserve right click' fraternity. We tossed it back and forth. I issued a challenge - I would give him a months free hosting if he removed the script and I bet that his hits (not visitors, hits) would double. If they did he owed me a really nice bottle of wine, if not then he won.

His hits almost trebled. His sales increased by about 50%, admitedly from a lowish base, and that before he introduced the cc payment.

Prior to it's removal the average visitor visited just under 3 pages. After it was gone that rose to almost 7.

I think what happens is that the people who don't know enough to know how to get around it are in fact freaked by it and just get out of there. So it puts off both the experienced and the inexperienced.

It was a very very nice bottle of wine too.

Katherine

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Edited by - abbeyvet on 04/24/2002 18:07:35



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