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Soft and Hard Returns - 3/19/2002 1:57:07
Shift + Enter
creates a <br> tag. Also referred to as a soft return.
Enter
creates a <p> tag. Also referred to as a hard return.
Note: Two <br><br>'s create a little less space than one <p>. I prefer to use the <br> when possible and minimize the use of <p> tags.
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RE: Soft and Hard Returns - 3/20/2002 12:09:22
Hi Gail! I'm not sure why you need to create that much spacing in a document. I never design using empty <p></p> tags, its just not my style.
Don't know where that o: is coming from, I've never seen it before. Although, if I think back, when you cut and paste from another MS application like Word, you end up with the proprietary HTML for that program and the stuff from Word is an absolute mess. That is why it is always recommended that you cut from Word, paste into Note Pad or Word Pad and then cut and paste into FP. Going through that process strips out all of the proprietary code that causes problems.
The code example you provided is nightmareish. There are tags without closing tags. There are tags nested in other tags without closing tags! Did FP generate that? If so, I think there might be some problems with your preferences in FP or some sort of bug somewhere.
If you cut and pasted content from other applications, then I can see why HTML is sticking its tongue out at you! You are getting proprietary code mixed in with FP code mixed in with code from who knows where.
There is no need to use empty tags for spacing. Nested tables if done properly work just fine with NN4x and other browsers. Nested tables not done properly will cause problems as you've read. I'd like to see an example of a page where you require the type of spacing that you are explaining.
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Edited by - pageoneresults on 03/31/2002 20:53:36
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RE: Soft and Hard Returns - 3/22/2002 9:13:22
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Hi Gail! I'm not sure why you need to create that much spacing in a document. I never design using empty <p></p> tags, its just not my style.
Holdover from graphic design techniques, used to create "white space" for visual effect when needed. It's obviously not a good idea with FrontPage.
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That is why it is always recommended that you cut from Word, paste into Note Pad or Word Pad and then cut and paste into FP.
I've recently begun doing this. I've also been advised that even a better way is to paste text directly (and carefully) into HTML view.
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The code example you provided is nightmareish.
I'm working on it.
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Did FP generate that?
Evidently.
As always, thank you for all your helpful input. gail
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RE: Soft and Hard Returns - 3/22/2002 22:16:51
The irritating problem with soft returns is that often a hyperlink will stretch to the next line if the following text is another hyperlink. It is really annoying sometimes. The result is that you have what looks like 2 separate links that link to only one place.
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RE: Soft and Hard Returns - 3/22/2002 22:39:08
Just a word of caution, earlier versions of Netscape (4.x) dislike the <p> tag, especially when addition variables are applied to it: i.e. <p align="center"></p>. In some cases alignment of following elements are lost or disrupted and in some extreme cases items (such as <layer>) will not display.
I believe that most experienced Frontpage users will stick to the <br> tag, however if you must use the <p> then use it with no additional variables.
If you wish to center a string of text commonly seen as:
<p align="center">Some text</p>
use a table element instead and eliminate the <p> tag.
<table>
<tr>
<td align="center">Some Text</td>
</tr>
</table>
<div> also works:
<div align="center">
<center>
Some Text
</center>
</div>
Watch out for Frontpage and one of it's little intricacies. If you highlight a string of text in a table cell and select the center justify button you will produce:
<td><p align="center">Some Text</p></td>
Note in some cases that the <p> tag will not be closed </p>. This will definatly rain havoc on Netscape as well as XML.
However, if you place the text inside of a table cell, highlight the cell and select the center justify button you will produce:
<td align="center">Some Text</td>
Form the futher ramblings of a mad man...
Basil
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RE: Soft and Hard Returns - 3/25/2002 17:19:55
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The irritating problem with soft returns is that often a hyperlink will stretch to the next line if the following text is another hyperlink. It is really annoying sometimes. The result is that you have what looks like 2 separate links that link to only one place.
That brings to mind another tip. If I'm not editing in html, I keep my show tags view on most of the time. This way you can position your cursor after the ending tag and create your <br> or soft return. You can also see where you've broken all those </b> and </font> tags!
ctrl + / will show tags in normal view.
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Edited by - pageoneresults on 03/31/2002 20:54:58
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RE: Soft and Hard Returns - 3/27/2002 13:52:48
Thanks!!!!!!1
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