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China Adviser wrap-up - 5/1/2002 20:43:02
This site is about completed...(it really never ends does it!)
http://www.chinaadviser.com
Any comments, observations and/or critisim
is welcomed, although it doesn't always appear that way!
I've tried to make adjustments as given to me in this forum.
Hopefuly it will pass inspection this time.
Regards, and Thanks for all of the input on my pervious post for this site... Robert
"Lung Tik Chuan Ren"
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/2/2002 17:23:28
Dompros,
Your site is really nice. It is full of great information. Wish I could visit China. Here are some minor things that I found not working on your site. It is a big site and I didn't have enough time to hit it all, but I did quite a bit.
Contact Us doesn't work on the Acupuncture and Accommodations pages.
China Map image didn't download on the China Map page so I tried to right click on it and you have right click disabled. I heard that was a no no.
Since you have so many pages to navigate, it would be helpful if you had a visited link color. I saw that happen on one page. Can't remember which one. It's get a little confusing if you don't do that.
Currency converter page isn't linked in the navigation area.
Bookmark this page is in two different size fonts on different pages. Should be consistent throughout.
These are some of the small details that I noticed while going through your site. Your information is wonderful and I like the colors and arrangement you settled on. Details are very important.
I liked your Chinese Phrases page too. That would be very helpful if I were going to China.
I hope these are helpful suggestions.
Terry Ellis
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/2/2002 17:38:44
Holey Socks,Tterrific...
Talk about above and beyond!
I'm kinda staggered that you would be so kind to take up your time to post these observations for me!
I'm very thankful to you for this!
After awhile looking at sites 12 hrs a day, I become error blind...
I owe you one for this!
If you think that right click disabled is a no no, take a look at >view>source...
I've designed an artists site and I'm trying to deal with visitors from around the world stealing images of his paintings, I'm experimenting on this site to find a way to stop them!
I'm copying and pasting your corrections and will go to work on them right away.
As far as the vlinks I have this in the body, vlink="#0000FF" , but the span code that I'm using to turn the hover to yellow is overwriting it and I haven't been able to figure out how to correct it...
Your unmet friend, Robert
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Edited by - dompros on 05/02/2002 19:40:23
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/3/2002 14:47:15
Thank you Robert. I feel like I might have helped a little.
Do you mean you disabled vew source? I could still access that through the menu. I understand there's no real way to stop people from looking at the source code if they want to. What I meant was not allowing people to use their right mouse button. That is very annoying to some.
It looks like you have done a lot of work.
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/3/2002 15:02:11
Terry, What occured when you opened >menu>view>source on the browser?
Yes, disabling the right click is annoying to some, but for what reason?
If someone such as yourself or others from the forum want to take a look, fine, but, I'm not to happy with the general public absconding with code, images and art work!
So, I'm trying to trick the not so educated from taking a peek...
I'm only worried, concerning the search engine reviewers not likeing what I've done.
You've helped more than a little, my eyes were passing over those errors.
Probably just as you, I like things to be correct!
Regards, Robert
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/3/2002 15:17:29
I'm sure it's purely psychological to some. You take my power away by removing my ability to fully use my mouse as I see fit. There is a whole thread re: disabiling the right mouse button and another re: protecting your code and images and such on the internet. I'm no expert, by the way. But these threads do make sense. I'll see if I can find them.
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/3/2002 15:25:30
OK...
I'm reading these links right now!
I don't think that I can deter the unscrupulous, Just put stumbling blocks in front of as many as I can!
Regards, Robert
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/3/2002 15:29:56
Robert:
I'm sorry this is taking me so long. I just tried to do a search for the other thread and my system froze. Had to restart. Where's Spooky? I lost some work...darn. We all know to save often. Sometimes we forget. I'll try again.
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/3/2002 16:43:33
Yes, I recall these threads,
I'm approaching 18 months now as a member of this forum, I've changed my user name, because I ran into so many personality conflicts that it was difficult to function here.
But anyway, during this time, I've come to the conclusion, that the complaints about, disabled right click is coming from, web masters, site designers, etc.
Not from, clients, customers, surfers and other viewers.
In fact I've never heard a complaint, but from anyone other than those that I've mentioned.
I've learned so much from this forum, That I very rarely need to have my code checked, thus no need to right click...
If I do need a check or lesson, I simply cut a snippet and post it...
I'm not saying that I'm error free, it's just that I've learned to, optimize all images, my code is written with all of the tag warning turned on in FP2002,and I check the code in a second HTML editor.
All of my basic layouts are measured with screen calipers,and images and tables are set accordingly, All of my code is cross referenced thru HTML validators, the page size is calculated, the load time is recorded, the colors are browser safe,as are the fonts, all links are checked, all meta tags are checked, code bloat is removed, scripts are validated and tested, as I been told here, test, test, test.
I don't have the training to use CSS without tables nor any other advanced techniques, so I stick to the basics.
I've probably forgotten to mention some things, but I think that you get what I mean...
I usualy post the first basic layout here, and don't need a right click.
I'm looking for first impressions and there are comments about what I left out, but I hadn't got there yet.
Then I submit the final draft. Hopefuly some one such as yourself will point out the errors such as you found.
I don't see that you needed a right click there either?
Some members have quiried, then why ask us for help when you don't need it?
Well I do need help,I just may not use it at this time.
As far as the right click thing, When I start finding disruptions, from search engines, clients, and customers, I will make immeadiate changes.
Some of you in this forum, no doubt can come up with gaps and fallacies in my thinking and point of view.
If so then please fill in the gaps!
Terry, Thanks for your interesting input!
Regards, Robert
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 14:29:40
You see,
Every forum has self proclaimed experts and gurus.
These self appointed leaders, institute their own rules, rules that are not required by the forum itself.
Some of them cross over to other forums to copy what other pundits are doing to control the membership, and modify their authoritative, prescribed rules for conduct, to their own needs.
Generally, the head "Sage what's in charge", will impose rules based on the foundation, "what you are doing annoys me"!
This will be followed by, "if you do it again, you will no longer exist, I and my clique will ignore you.
Their silence speaks volumes to their smallness!
It is a very tiny person with a very large Ego that uses this as a motive for their conduct.
Usually it's not necessary to open person's lungs to discern that they have been smoking tobacco.
Usually it's not necessary to open source code to detect errors.
So if it hurts to have the right mouse click disabled, or to be forced to have a scrolling marquee on the status bar…
As my Doctor replied when I told him, "it hurts when I do that, "Then don't do that".
It has been indignantly proclaimed many times in this forum, " I immediately left the website because, you did not follows the rules that I have proscribed"!
Does mean that the offender should be mistreated?
These same people that refuse to allow disagreement with "Them", generally are the first to proclaim that, "disagreement is a good thing and helps to strengthen society"!
Many members of Forums are in such fear of losing the source of wisdom, knowledge, and judgment: That they are afraid to reply to the posts entered by, the member that has been excluded from the forum society.
Only those, that are a well-developed person in their own right, dare to speak up!
Generally, observations of forums on the web, over time, will affirm the certainty of this conduct by, Alpha-females, and Alpha-males. It is repeated and ongoing in nearly every forum.
These individuals apparently cannot accept the fact that most other people have a full existence before being ostracized and blackballed; and the imposition of such is meaningless, ridiculous and proves just how small one can be.
Each and every forum member, that follows the forms proscribed rules, should be allowed to be their own person, express their own views and be a respected individual, regardless as to weather they are agreed with or not, and certainly should not be spending even one moment of their time dealing with bullies!
See What I Mean?
Regards, Robert
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 15:11:07
Your site looks good Robert.
I don't quite know what to make of your last post however.
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 15:19:47
Robert -
I do not know if you are referring to Terry or the contributors of the threads he posted as the "self proclaimed experts and gurus", but both he and those contributors were trying ONLY to help. If you choose to feel otherwise about using right-click, that is fine. All that is needed to stop people from trying to "help" in this regard (and that is all that is behind that advice!!) is to simply state that you have read the reasoning behind not using no right-click and choose to use it.
These forums have always been about helping each other and giving to this attitude in a positive way. Let's please try to remember that.
Sincerely,
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 15:24:00
Hi, Shirley, Thank you for your response!
Just venting, I suppose!
But, I feel that, many veiwers that have been involved in fourms over time, would have difficulty in denying that these attitudes and conducts do exist.
I'm not attempting to condemn anyone in this forum!
So, I may ask? What is the true reason for the abhorrance of disabling the right click. I've seem some explainations but am not sure that all, are really on the mark.
Thanks for your input.
Regards, Robert
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 15:36:04
Oh, No!
I can't thank Terry enough for the help given! The same for many others in the forum...
Linda, I am very glad that you have responded!
Perhaps there will be some, contradicting responses to this post that will help to clear the air!
As far as this forum and the folks here...
I could not build a website, but for the free education that I received here.
I have total respect and give support to this forum, It is the only one that I stayed with over the years.
As you may recall, I've rubbed some people the wrong way in the past.
I would say that none of you should take this as a message directed at you!
Regards, Robert
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 15:42:56
Robert
It's quite clear, and I really believe that you're here for confrontation purposes rather then wanting to take on board suggestions. If you're gonna post in the Critiques forum, you're likely to receive suggestions and criticisms that you could listen to and disregard at your own choice.
Disabling a right click stops me from using my normal method of going back a page, adding a site to favourites, refreshing or printing your page amongst other normal functions and the truth is it's annoying, and enough to make me leave a site - I think that's the point stated above but you come back here every few months under a new name, don't like what you get, complain and disappear for a while before starting over again - why bother mate - it's a case of like it or lump it. And it's the same for everyone, if you're not happy with the service you go elsewhere - I would.
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 15:51:47
I'm wondering, as to the Fourm Etiquette,
"if a person disagrees with the post, Don't say anything negative or the poster may never speak to you again"!
I've been to Japan and tried to conduct business there, and spent most of my time in the dark, because it truly offensive in that society to convey anything negative.
A negative response may be distastful, but Gee-Whiz, it's not the end of life as we know it!
We all know that everyone doesn't like everything about us, But we go on with life.
The old saying" You can't please everyone."
That shouldn't stop us from interacting with one another... We grow, We change directions, We live!
I knew full well that my post would cause a response, and I'm sure that I will learn from them and become more mature as the results.
So, don't take it so seriously everyone!
Regards, Robert
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 15:53:50
As far as disabling the right click, I hate sites that use it and never return. I use the RC to mark a site on my desktop to review later plus use the "back" function so I don't have to move my mouse too far.
Consider this: I had an amateur user call me once because she went to a site that had the RC disabled. She thought there was a problem with her computer. I explained to her that it was trickery on the part of the designer to try and keep folks from "stealing" images or source code even though there are other ways to get it. She also used the RC function to put the site on her desktop for later review. Her comment to me was "Well, if they have to resort to tricks to keep me from getting information then they won't get my business!"
Think about it. What do you have that is so important to disable the RC even though anyone that wants it can get it? Is the average user that doesn't build sites gonna steal from you? Don't you think that someone that wants what you have and builds sites will get it?
http://www.chinaadviser.com/imagesjhqv68/canadalogo.gif
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 16:03:13
Sorry, Andy...
Your way off, the path!
I've changed user names once.
It, appears that you do not want me to express myself, and don't approve of my ways of doing it!
So, you attempt to dismiss it as confrontional. Then insinuate that I should leave the forum, rather than be myself.
This is typical of the attitude that I brought to light in my orignal post.
The attempt to suppress others from expressing themselves.
Your response gives the impression that the post above is for you personally...
I haven't broken any rules, but just irritated you...
Why get personal about this?
Robert
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 16:17:36
Rangler...
This is the type of input and information that is helpful to everyone in the forum!
Your experiences and knowledge are now being absorbed by all viewers...
I and I'm sure that many designers and especially the newbies have no idea what the true reasons are for the right clcik disable
revulsion!
The more that's said the better!
Robert
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 16:40:10
I think you hit the nail on the head with your own statement :
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So, I'm trying to trick the not so educated from taking a peek...
The not so educated, would also have no idea what they are doing or looking at - thus you would never see a complaint. They are there for content. You are here for advice on design and content.
Its frustrating to try and offer free advice about one if you hide the other.
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 17:17:45
John, Penetrating insight...
A point of view that would benefit many to adhere.
Keep in mind, that as responses are posted to mine,
I and others gain insight that We might never aquire otherwise.
Although I may seen abrasive to some...
When Forum members and Moderators expound on subjects such as this all viewers benefit...
Just as, none of the site critiques that I receive are personal insults, none of my posts should be taken personally.
I try to not respond on a personal level, until personal remarks are directed towards me.
Regards to All, Robert
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 17:39:36
Hi, Spooky!
I'm not talking about the totaly ignorant.
But, rather the somewhat skilled, that are also unscrupulous and no doubt conduct their lives in the same manner...
I don't mind hasseling them in every way possible, but I certainly don't want nor intend to do the same to those that are trying to give of themselves.
I've more than once stated my thanks for all I,ve received here, even from the person that so unkindly posted my image file URL, What motivates a move such as that?
Was that to teach someone a lesson?
Let’s say, that a designer builds a 10-page site,
Only the Designer and the client know the address.
Included in those that know, may be the site host, the ISP and perhaps the Registrar.
The site has never been submitted to a search engine.
The site is submitted to a forum for critique,
Within 24 hrs. the server stats show, 20, 30, 60, 90, hits to the image files and to certain images, and the index, with very few to the other pages…
When reviewing the stats for other sites, it is found that over time, the hits are more or less coming from the same places.
Can any of you come to a conclusion with this bit of information?
Regards, Robert
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 17:49:53
Oh Yes,
And by the way, Andy...
Perhaps if your were involved such as I.
You would recall, that I changed My user name, after a moderator posted my name address and phone number, With some remarks added...
Cheers to you also
Robert
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 19:16:58
There is one thing that's a little annoying with the latest version (or so) of IE that would make any "artist" with a website think about disabling the RC feature. I'm not sure exactly which version of IE was the first to incorporate it but my IE 6.0 has several right click features that asks if you want to do various things with a picture that you've right clicked on. "Save Picture As...", "Email Picture...", "Print Picture...", "Go To My Pictures...", "Set As Background..." "Set as Desktop Item...".
My point is that MS did a foolish thing by implimenting those features because now even the "not so educated" can very easily steal images. Heck, it's practically incouraging theft, is it not?
So, though I don't like having RC disabled either, I can see the point in doing it with an artsy kind of site now because of the newer versions of IE. The only thing I really miss with not having a right click is the ability to open a link in a new window which we all like to do now and then.
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I'm not trying to pit myself in favor of either point of view on this subject but I think that with the latest version of IE that maybe many of us should reconsider are positions on this notion of disabling the RC feature when something like an artist's site is involved.
I could say the same thing for frames. I don't care for them usually but there are rare occassions when I would use them. The most obvious being when I want an audio file to play continuously in the nav frame while a person still forages thru the site and that type of thing.
Dompros, I think there may have been a misunderstanding between yourself and Andy. I noticed that the post he left for you was at almost the same "time" as the one you posted right before his. Undoubtedly he was writing his post and posting it before he ever saw yours. I think if he had seen what you said in that particular post he probably would have thought twice about saying what he did. Just a thought....
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RE: China Adviser wrap-up - 5/4/2002 19:46:21
Bill, Yours is a response that one would expect and respect from a member and/or a moderator!
Your post brought to light subjects that I and no doubt other members are unaware of...
To clairify my first post (tirade),
The point that I attempted to convey, was that most of us simply do not make changes, even the simplest, because it irritates a stranger on the other side of the country!
I have found out clearly, just why it bothers people... It's not just irrataion per se, There is a valid reason for this revulsion!
Without this interaction within the forum, I doubt that I would even have considered
making changes in the R/C settings.
I've really never been irritated with it, I just thought that's their perogitive.
Who am I to tell anyone their business.
As far as Andy from Spain, I believe that you are right...
I've looked at his posts and sites for nearly 2 years and have seen nothing but, intelligence, education and training.
I was in fact quite suprised by his response, Certainly since it had very little or nothing to do with him!
So, as the judge says, "Strike those remarks from the record".
Any of you that have more to input about R/C
post it, or if it's a dead horse, let it be...
Regards, Robert
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