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LeeH -> Wrapping text around tables? (5/7/2002 6:10:20)

How do you do it? Im using FPXpress for wysiwyg but cant work out how to set up a table and then have text flow around it like you can do an image by making it align left etc.

or is this not possible?
or is it frowned upon and I should use nested tables instead?




Reflect -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/7/2002 7:40:13)

Hi,

I would go with tables. Just setup the cells around the cell with the image to give it the look that you want.

Brian

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EWD -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/7/2002 10:36:23)

Isn't that what "float" is?

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Reflect -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/7/2002 11:21:00)

Hi,

quote:
Isn't that what "float" is?


Could you elaborate here please? I did a search and came up empty, I'm curious about this.

TIA,

Brian

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EWD -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/7/2002 17:40:40)

In table properties there is alignment and float. Float determines the side text flows around the *outside* of the table

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LB -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/7/2002 17:43:34)

On the table properties you can select float to make it go to the left, right, or center of your page content. It's much harder to design with doing it this way.

A better way to do your page layout is by using tables for your complete layout and put all content within the table cells instead of trying to work with it outside of the table.

Here's some information on page layouts that may help you.
www.outfront.net/tutorials_02/design/layout.htm

Linda



LeeH -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/8/2002 8:26:37)

thanks.
There is no "float" property in front page express so I assume this is a feature of FP, and maybe more advanced editors?

I know how to do it cell wise I was just wondering how you did it the other way.
assuming "float" is a standard thing, can someone give me actual html code that shows a table with text which flows around to the left or right of it

cheers
LeeH




LeeH -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/8/2002 8:28:25)

my point being that it is not always easy to do it the cell way as the text cell beside the table is surely going to get bigger if you keep typing and then you get white space under the table in the cell on the other side?




Reflect -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/8/2002 10:27:44)

Thanks for the pointer EWD.

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abbeyvet -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/8/2002 11:06:29)

Lee,

You can have some of the text in the nested table and then continue it below the table.

There have been a lot of questions recently about using nested tables, includes and about layout in general. So I did up a sample page that shows how some of these things can be used which may make it a little clearer.

The page as it would look with table borders not visible is here:

http://www.inkkdesign.com/of/layout2.htm

This one has the borders color coded and visible to show how the page was created.

http://www.inkkdesign.com/of/layout1.htm

Maybe it will help clarify.


Katherine

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LeeH -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/8/2002 12:36:29)

thanks abby but that still isnt what I was after
on the page
http://www.inkkdesign.com/of/layout1.htm

at the bottom where you talk about "another situation" - the text there has a clear break to the text which is to the right of that table, and then another break to the text under it

I dont see how you can have text flow properly around a table using nested tables because you have text in rows above, level with, and below the row which contains the table inside the other cell if that makes sense.

so I just dont see how you do it with nested tables ?

in the very simple case you have a master table, 3 rows, 2 columns lets call them

R1C1 R1C2
R2C1 R2C2
R3C1 R3C2

(R2C2 is no relation to R2D2 ;-)
What I would then want is to merge the cells above and below the middle row

R1----- colspan 2
R2C1 R2C2
R3------ colspan 2

now I want to put a small table, say the top few teams in a league table into R2C1 and then have some descriptive text in R1, flowing down into R2C2 and then into R3 but with no whitespace or breaks

I cannot physically see how this is possible ? since even with no cell spacing or padding in the master table, you are at the mercy of your text in R2C2 - not enough to fill the height of the row if the insert table is large and you get whitespace, if the insert table is small and your text in R2C2 is too much you get whitespace, if you change font sizes that will make it off

so, can I confirm - it is not possible to achieve this with nested tables?

Yet it is a look I want, so am assuming some kind of float is what I need. I have no idea why you can set an image to be wrappable around left or right but not a table.




abbeyvet -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/8/2002 13:14:23)

You just have to basically decide to break the text somewhere in a manner that give the effect you want on the final page without necessarily doing it in exactly the way you describe.

Text cannot 'flow' in HTML the way it can in Word or, more so, in say publisher. You CAN position tables absolutely to get the effect yuo are looking for - but everythgin in your page would need to be set up this way and you may get very odd results in NN - I have never done it as tables are, for me anyway, always a better and easier solution.

I wouldn't think this is too far off what you are looking for: http://www.inkkdesign.com/of/layout3.htm

There always has to be some compromise, as you say, text will be resized, nothing will look the same to every user.

Katherine

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www.inkkdesign.com

Women and cats will do as they please. Men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.



EWD -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/8/2002 15:40:09)

Not sure if this is what you want but I set float to right on a table, and text flows around it and the table stays to the right.
<table border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="200" align="right">

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LeeH -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/8/2002 17:43:00)

Abby
thanks - thats more or less it, it just seems crazy that you cannot flow round a table, theres certainly no good reason code wise that I can think of - a table has a clear rectangular border just like an image so I can only assume it was laziness, or perhaps concerns about the table size not being absolutely fixed (due to resizing fonts etc).
oh well, thanks anyway

EWD - not sure what you mean there? that looks like standard html, that doesnt seem to give the effect at my end, i would love to see a working html page with that table definition followed by a paragraph of text that wraps above, to the sides and below the table in one continuous piece !




EWD -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/8/2002 20:23:03)

Did you try it? put some text before it. put in the tag, tr and td, put something like more text, close the td, tr and table tags, then put more text. I've used it several times and it works.

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LeeH -> RE: Wrapping text around tables? (5/9/2002 4:27:48)

Well I'll be jiggered - it DID work! thanks very much EWD, that worked exactly as I thought, I think I was thrown by front page express which seems to add <p> tags when you insert a table, and if you edit a page with text wrapped round a table it does the same
grrrrrrr

i just got DW4 so hopefully that is a bit more sensible and allows me to do this visually

cheers




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