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mc6pack
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RE: What is the diff between a SUBWEB and a DIRECTORY - 5/15/2002 17:38:29
I have directories and subweb for my church site. The reason for the subweb is to allow the novice computer teacher the ability to change web pages for the school (I do the Church) without messing up my stuff. She can use the simple 'publish' feature of FrontPage. WS-FTP is beyond her. I explained and showed how to save the photos in the photo file and still the photos were improperly saved to the correct file. This was simple web 'housekeeping'. It was not hard to create a subweb and the only problem I have is my lame server that is unable to support a different username and password for the subweb. I will be changing this summer to a better server. Linking to web pages on site use the same format and do not need http://siteaddress but you do need to know how to link since FP cannot do it for you (can't see the web pages) I do not even keep the subweb with my church - no need! So the advantage would be if multiple people had to work off the same web...
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CMWin
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RE: What is the diff between a SUBWEB and a DIRECTORY - 5/16/2002 9:07:11
Whoa, Nellie!!
This is news to me - includes that are not FP includes? Where can I find out how to do this? I stopped using anything that was controlled by FP extension - but how I miss the ease of includes!
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EWD
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RE: What is the diff between a SUBWEB and a DIRECTORY - 5/16/2002 9:42:44
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plionberger
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RE: What is the diff between a SUBWEB and a DIRECTORY - 5/16/2002 10:59:53
So, I converted a folder in my root web to a subweb and FP created all it's special folders and stuff. When I published the subweb, from the subweb, FP put it at the root level of the web whereas I had expected it to keep the hierarchy as on my harddrive.
I guess I could publish from the root web and include subwebs but that seems awkward. Is there another way.
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abbeyvet
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RE: What is the diff between a SUBWEB and a DIRECTORY - 5/16/2002 11:27:16
If you publish a subweb to http://www.yoursite.com/ it will publish to the main web. You need to publish it to http://www.yoursite.com/subwebname/
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bnbalestri
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RE: What is the diff between a SUBWEB and a DIRECTORY - 5/16/2002 11:37:02
Here are my two cents on subwebs - they're great, but watch out.
I have been using subwebs for my sites for a couple of years and they're great because it allows you to have multiple designs without having to keep track of all the images and includes in the root web. It also makes it easier to only work on one "site" without all of the extraneous pages from my other sites. For example I can work on only my Investment Contest site www.balestris.com/contest without all of the other garbage from my root site.
Subwebs also allow unique permissions specific to a particular subweb. But this is only available if your host is running FP extensions on a Unix server. I found this out the hard way after converting one of my (root) sites from a Unix server to Win2000 server. I did this because I wanted to use the new FP2002 features.
The short answer is that Win2000 severs do not allow unique permissions, so you have to use something like Spooky's Login.
Also, watch out how many subwebs you create. I created five when I was testing some database things and it "broke" my site. The "helpful" technical support person at Verio explained that "didn't I know that you can only have four subwebs?"
Hope this helps.
Thank you for your help and advice.
Sincerely, Brian
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Tiger
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RE: What is the diff between a SUBWEB and a DIRECTORY - 5/17/2002 8:16:35
I have a separate web, set up as a stand-alone web, but want to make it a sub-web of my root web. How can I convert it?
Tiger Schmittendorf
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abbeyvet
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RE: What is the diff between a SUBWEB and a DIRECTORY - 5/17/2002 8:54:39
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The "helpful" technical support person at Verio explained that "didn't I know that you can only have four subwebs
I hope you told them what rubbish this is!
Let me give an example of how I use subwebs.
Each time I have a new client whose site I am building in FP, or if I am making a new site for myself, I start a new web in the normal way. Then, as I am working on the new site, I publish it to inkkdesign.com. No making a subweb, no nothing, I just publish to www.inkkdesign.com/newwebname/
I have several dozen 'subwebs' created in this way on my site. Never had a problem. Some use themes, some don't but they all function happily.
Thus if I am creating an entirely new section for an existing site, which would be best treated as a subweb, rather than making it within that site I just create a new web locally, then publish to www.sitename.com/newsection/
I prefer this method than changing directories into subwebs and so on. It seems cleaner somehow.
Now and again if I am bothered I will remove the ones I am finsihed with. I do this by creating a new web - well, actually opening one I keep for this purpose, which just contains a single blank index page. I then publish it to wherever the web I want rid of is, and chose the 'Publish all files overwriting etc etc' option. Then I click 'yes to all' when FP asks me if I want to delete all the stuff on the server but not in my web.
I could then go in with FTP and delete the thing completely but I rarely bother.
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Thomas Brunt
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RE: What is the diff between a SUBWEB and a DIRECTORY - 5/17/2002 13:37:22
It's actually quite common for hosts who don't give you Admin level permissions to limit the number of subwebs you're allowed to have. I really can't think of a reason why a host would not give you admin level permissions, but lots of hosts think it might allow you to do something awful. I have never heard of any problems stemming from giving a hosting client admin level permissions.
If you don't have admin level permissions, you can't create subwebs. The host must do that, and they hate that kind of thing.
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Edited by - Thomas Brunt on 05/17/2002 13:38:46
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Tiger
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RE: What is the diff between a SUBWEB and a DIRECTORY - 5/17/2002 15:07:50
The problem I experience when I re-publish a subweb is that it's theme is transposed over the root web's theme as well. In other words, the root web inherits the theme of the last subweb published.
I could use some help on this. Thanks in advance.
Tiger Schmittendorf
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Doug G
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RE: What is the diff between a SUBWEB and a DIRECTORY - 5/19/2002 1:23:52
Some ISP's limit subwebs because they can cut into the ISP revenue. With asp or DNS redirection, web resellers can put numerous clients under one ISP account, each in their own subweb. Needless to say, the ISP would prefer new accounts for each customer :)
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Fast Fred
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RE: What is the diff between a SUBWEB and a DIRECTORY - 5/19/2002 22:39:13
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I found this out the hard way after converting one of my (root) sites from a Unix server to Win2000 server. I did this because I wanted to use the new FP2002 features.
The short answer is that Win2000 severs do not allow unique permissions, so you have to use something like Spooky's Login.
Also, watch out how many subwebs you create. I created five when I was testing some database things and it "broke" my site. The "helpful" technical support person at Verio explained that "didn't I know that you can only have four subwebs?"
Sounds like you are hosting off of someone elses webserver? The unique permissions do not have anything to do with Unix in this case. IIS controls alot of access features and virtual webs off of that server can be used to choke off user rights. You are being limited by your webservice provider. Try downloading and installing IIS on your Windows 2K machine, then install the FP extensions.... and work with it alittle. I do not like running my FP off of a unix machine, because I like the ability to crank up an access database and just drop it into the FPDB directory. It is my experience that UNIX will not allow this, but like you, I base that on experience rather than technical fact...
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