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_gail
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Republishing/working live on websites - 6/9/2002 13:52:44
I create an original website using FrontPage on my hard drive, then publish it. I recently learned that I should republish webs back to my hard drive and back-up to a CD or Zip disk.
Question - should I do additional work on a copy of the republished site? Or should I continue all work on the original, then publish again?
Also, do you work on your sites "live?" If so, what are the advantages?
NOTE: one of the concepts I'm trying to understand here is how to maintain backups of the webs I create. I don't solely want to depend on the host.
Thanks, gail
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Charles W Davis
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RE: Republishing/working live on websites - 6/9/2002 14:38:41
Gail,
Long, long ago (in 1957) I learned the value of backing up data.
Personally, I have some trust in hosting company's back up systems. However, I never work on the site "live," except to edit discussion forums, and retrieve data collected from a poll or voting that can't be done on your hard drive.
Work done on the site, depending on your access speed, is slower. You must then publish back to your hard drive to maintain integrity of your site.
My Documents, including, My Webs folders are backed up to external hard drives on a 48 hour schedule. Read "external" to mean the second hard drive on a networked computer.
You can back up to a ZIP disk with capacity of 100MB or 250MB depending on your drive. I used the ZIP disk exclusively until (Publish to the ZIP disk), I got the second computer networked to my main. I have no experience with backing up to a CD, so won't comment further.
In summary, be creative on your original site!
Enjoy! It's your endeavor!
Chuck, the male ladybug. http://www.anthemwebs.com
http://www.moderncabinetmaking.com
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_gail
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RE: Republishing/working live on websites - 6/9/2002 17:08:29
Hmmmm. A lot of helpful info here but I'm still not clear on this.
I create Site A on my hard drive with FrontPage.
I pubish Site A to the hosting company. The newly published site, A-1, is out there in cyberspace.
I then publish Site A-1 back to my hard drive. The republished web is Site A-2. I can keep Site A-2 on my hard drive in addition to backing it up on a zip drive or whatever.
So now I have two sites on my hard drive: Site A (oringinal) AND Site A-2 (republished.
Not counting the backup but including the one in cyberspace, I now have three copies of the same site.
I want to add a few pages to my web. Do I work on the oringinal Site A, or the republished Site A-2?
Hope I'm explaining myself okay. Thanks,
Gail
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caywind
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RE: Republishing/working live on websites - 6/9/2002 18:42:55
Ok Gail, first off forget about the MS article. The record directly to a CD does not work like the article says. The article also has a typo that says to record to the hard drive in the middle of the instructions to record to a CD. I went and tried it thier way and it bombed on the file write step every time with every combination of settings. For clarification:
1. Cd-Recordable is 12speed write
2. Sofware is Adaptec DirectCD (assigns drive a writable drive letter)
3. Frontpage is 2000
4. OS is Windows 98
So here's what I did. Went to the website "Live". Published to a new folder on my hard drive. I did not use the "My Webs" in My documents in case something else orked. I published all files (overwrite), and said yes to publish subwebs. Publish came back and said that I would need to publish the web to a location that had an extensions enabled server for some components to work (search, discussion, themes). I said "Continue". The web published successfully to my hard drive. I tried to publish from the hard drive to the CD. No Go, same error as before (couldn't find some stupid tmp file). I then copied the web from my hard drive to the CD recordable. No problemo. Now for the restore. First I deleted the site from the hard drive, site b (careful!). At this point we have what I think you want. One site on the internet and one site on a CD? I open the site in Frontpage from the CD disk. I publish it back to the hard drive. From there I will assume that you can publish back to the internet but I didn't test it because it is a real site!
Note: This only worked this way because of the Adaptec software. If you use some other program, it will mark all of the files as read-only and then there will be some extra steps in the restore.
Always glad to be of service.
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caywind
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RE: Republishing/working live on websites - 6/9/2002 18:54:35
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Not counting the backup but including the one in cyberspace, I now have three copies of the same site.
I want to add a few pages to my web. Do I work on the oringinal Site A, or the republished Site A-2?
Since the publish to CD doesn't work, at least on my 'puter. I would work on the (known to be current) site on the hard drive and then publish to the server. That would keep both of those copies sychronized. A well organized folder of webs could be copied periodically to a CD to maintain a backup in case of hard drive failure.
Always glad to be of service.
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_gail
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RE: Republishing/working live on websites - 6/9/2002 19:13:09
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Note: This only worked this way because of the Adaptec software.
caywind,
Thanks ever so much for your reply! I have Easy CD Creator 5 Plat, and will give it a try sometime, however I probably didn't explain the main point of my inquiry very well. Sorry! I'm not really talking about backing up.
What I'm asking is which site should I work on after I republish the site back to my hard drive? Should I delete the original (Site A) and work on the one which has been published back to my drive(Site A-2)?
To put it another way: should I delete Site A and work on Site A-2?
Hope this clarifies my question a bit. This *is* complicated stuff sometimes!
gail
Edited by - _gail on 06/09/2002 19:14:51
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caywind
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RE: Republishing/working live on websites - 6/9/2002 21:47:57
Here's what I would consider to be a good system, and what will be my system from here on...
1. Build the site on the PC, publish.
2. Publish right back from the web server to the hard drive site overwriting the original, or publish to a different folder and delete the original. (site A)
3. Copy that to CD
4. I now make all changes to the site (site-A) on the PC and publish to the server.
5. I periodically copy the entire folder structure (all my webs) to a CD.
6. If I need a restore, I can publish from the CD back to the hard drive and in theory I could publish to the server. I went back and tested this (CD to web server). It gave me an error message about the navigation structure. I told it to leave it intact. It worked perfectly. I guess if you change the navigation structure you would say to merge the nav changes. I wish MS would tell you exactly what is going to happen when you check off an option but, *big eyeore oh well*....
So now...I have the "Live" site on the internet. I have a developement site on my PC. I have a backup on a CD. Thanks for making me look this over, I needed to get it worked out for myself as well!
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Scotty
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RE: Republishing/working live on websites - 6/9/2002 23:53:37
Okay, back two steps now. Why do you need to publish the live site back to your computer?
I work on the original copy of the site on my computer, published to get the original copy live, and make all changes on my original copy on my pc. At this point I no longer publish. I close my pc copy, open the live copy and import the changes. (something about the "publish" function of FrontPage that was dinkin with some of the other items on the site I believe). I do ask the web/server guy to send me a current copy of the live site and to periodically make a CD of our site for his records. (we've had lots of weird stuff happen in the course of changing servers and my learning curve). Regards, Scotty
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caywind
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RE: Republishing/working live on websites - 6/10/2002 0:40:37
I'm not exactly sure why to publish back, just that FP says "some items may need to be saved of published". I didn't test the "import" but I know that it won't activate things like themes or navbars unless they are published. Since I now have it on a CD I'll give it a shot!
Always glad to be of service.
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_gail
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RE: Republishing/working live on websites - 6/10/2002 10:46:22
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Okay, back two steps now. Why do you need to publish the live site back to your computer?
I'm going to wager a guess, but it's only that, so please don't rely on me. I still consider myself a new learner for a lot of FP stuff. A moderator, hopefully, will explain.
My guess is that the republished site has more complete set of folders and files, extra server stuff, which you can see when you visit the site live. For example, when I republish one of my sites back to the hard drive it picks up a lot of files associated with the forum we have there.
While some may rely on a host, I don't. I know someone who recently lost an entire, humongous website. Their host was in the middle of changing the way they backed up and initially thought they could not retrieve it. Finally, the host found a week old copy and wanted $200 to restore the site. I guess something is better than nothing but know I make a lot of significant changes to a website in one week!
gail
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