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Shared borders in FP2002 - 6/12/2002 11:30:44
Shared borders are a great way to add repeated content like page footers and side navigation bars to your Webs. A shared border is actually a separate Web page, named something like left.htm, that is included in each page you specify in the Shared Borders dialog box (Format | Shared Borders).
With FrontPage 2002, you can assign a unique background color or picture to each shared border, something that wasn't possible previously. To do so, click the Border Properties button in the Shared Borders dialog box or right-click on a shared border and choose Border Properties.
Note, however, that you must have the FrontPage 2002 Server Extensions installed on your server for this new feature to work. Otherwise, your shared borders will continue to inherit the background color or picture of the host page, just as they do in FrontPage 2000.
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RE: Shared borders in FP2002 - 7/4/2002 21:37:22
Is there a way to trim the load time associated with using shared borders? I realize that the browser has to query each file -- is there information that can be trimmed out of a border file to make it load faster?
I' ve already trimmed out all the extraneous parameters and extra spaces, etc. But are there parts of the document that the browser doesn' t read, such as the <head> section or something?
Also, it really adds to the load time to use included pages in a shared border -- the server needs to reference each file, and there are a few seconds tied up just with the query and the HTML headers, not to mention the tangible content of the other file.
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RE: Shared borders in FP2002 - 7/6/2002 18:37:02
Shared borders and include pages do add to the response time a little, but very little. So does any server side technology.
I think borders and includes are easily worth in convenience what you give up on response time.
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RE: Shared borders in FP2002 - 7/9/2002 12:04:51
Hi,
Is it possible to place javascript menus in shared borders? All I seem to get is my menu overlapping the content of the page, when I try to put it in the left border.
Is there a better way to place a javascript menu so that it is on all pages of the website that is 500+ pages? I am using shared borders now on all my pages with a java applet. I tried to make the menu in DHTML but it wouldn' t space correctly and the words (though all I did was change their color on mouseover) moved up and down the page!
Thanks for any help!
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Thomas Brunt
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RE: Shared borders in FP2002 - 7/10/2002 10:03:00
You can, but it can be problematic. Just make sure that the function in inside the <body></body> tags. A function in the header of a border or include will not be used by the page that uses the border or include.
Also, relative paths can be tricky when you' re doing that kind of thing.
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RE: Shared borders in FP2002 - 7/11/2002 17:34:27
Hi,
Just to say, I' ve got a java script drop down menu at www.artunframed.com ( shared top border ) Positioning was tricky though for all screen sizes and browsers.
David
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RE: Shared borders in FP2002 - 7/12/2002 3:49:02
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Is there a way to trim the load time associated with using shared borders? I realize that the browser has to query each file -- is there information that can be trimmed out of a border file to make it load faster? aren' t they in the cache after the first load?
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RE: Shared borders in FP2002 - 7/17/2002 7:53:09
Greetings, Big Kahuna!
So, does " tricky" mean that you have to use absolute urls if the javascript menu is in a shared border, or can you expand a little on your caution?
Thanks in advance,
Mack
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Thomas Brunt
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RE: Shared borders in FP2002 - 7/17/2002 9:44:02
Just remember that a relative path that looks like this ../file.htm could be a problem depending upon where the page resides in your web that the user is on. If he' s a couple of folders deep into your web, and file.htm is in your root then that won' t work. You would need ../../, but then that won' t work on other pages.
Pageoneresults posted a tip about this recently. The key is to do this /file.htm instead of ../filename.htm or ../../filename.htm.
That slash in front of the file name will tell the browser to go to the root of the web and start looking from there. ../ tells the browser to go one folder level above the current one.
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RE: Shared borders in FP2002 - 7/17/2002 11:36:07
Thomas,
Perhaps you could clarify a bit?
I' ve been setting up Vince' s Popout Menu and tried using the following on a page 3 folders deep in the site
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<LINK REL=STYLESHEET TYPE=" text/css" HREF=" /stylesheet.css" >
<script language=" JavaScript1.2" src=" /popouttext.js" >
</script>
The .js file and the .css files are definitely in the root but I had to use this to get the page to see them
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<LINK REL=STYLESHEET TYPE=" text/css" HREF=" ../../stylesheet.css" >
<script language=" JavaScript1.2" src=" ../../popouttext.js" >
</script>
I have it working ok just looking for some clarification on the path usage.
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RE: Shared borders in FP2002 - 7/17/2002 11:46:30
For external file references, I always recommend absolute URL' s, no matter what!
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RE: Shared borders in FP2002 - 7/17/2002 12:12:03
Hello Mike54. Every single site I' ve designed, there are over 40 of them, all use absolute URL' s for external file references. There are other issues at hand when using relative URL' s. For one, your style sheets on any FP confirmation pages will not work with any sort of relative URL. That is why you should use absolute. This will eliminate any and all problems that you may encounter when using a relative external file reference.
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RE: RE: Shared borders in FP2002 - 9/26/2002 18:37:38
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Thomas Brunt Wrote: You can place javascript menus in shared borders, but it can be problematic. Just make sure that the function in inside the <body></body> tags. A function in the header of a border or include will not be used by the page that uses the border or include.
Thomas,
Could you explain this. I am not sure I follow you.
I am trying to set up such menu. Putting the menu on the shared border would make updates and changes on it much easier. However if you have to include it in the body tag it would defeat the purpose.
Thanks, Dario
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