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Hand icon - 7/17/2002 1:49:14   
Hi Folks,

Is there a way to establish non-hyperlink text so that when the cursor is over it, the cursor changes into a hand?

I' d like to have this feature on the top item in a collapsible list.

Thanks much!

Jereme
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RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 8:07:21   
Hi,

Sure is. I think it is called a null link. Just highlight the text in question, then click on hyperlink. Then just leave the http:// .

Now the flip side to the coin is if they click on it they will get a 404 or " page not found" .

<edit>You know it just hit me. I did a little fast research and CSS could also be used. Make a class for the hyperlink. Then when defining the class do it like this...

a.hand:active { color:#ffffff; cursor:hand}

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RE: RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 10:11:47   
Hi Brian,

Thanks for the suggestion. I thought of the " dud" hyperlink, but ran into the problem you described, " page not found" message. This won' t do since users will need to click on the item to see the rest of the list.

How do I make a class for a hyperlink and define the class?

Thanks much,

Jereme

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RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 10:23:56   
You can also point the hyperlink to " self" or just link it back to the same page it' s on...

Heres how to define a hyperlink class (one example in a CSS):

     */ White Links:  */

a.white:active {font-family: " Tahoma" ;
            text-align: center;
            font-size: 14px;
            color: #ffffff;
            font-weight: normal;
            text-decoration: underline}
a.white:visited {font-family: " Tahoma" ;
            text-align: center;
            font-size: 14px;
            color: #ffffff;
            font-weight: normal;
            text-decoration: underline}
a.white:link {font-family: " Tahoma" ;
            text-align: center;
            font-size: 14px;
            color: #ffffff;
            font-weight: normal;
            text-decoration: underline}
a.white:hover {font-family: " Tahoma" ;
          text-align: center;
          font-size: 14px;
          color: #6b9689;
          background-color: #ffffff;
          font-weight: normal;
          text-decoration: none}


If that' s in your .css file, then just use <a class=" white" href... in your page...

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RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 11:28:58   
How about this...

<span style=" cursor:pointer" >Insert text here.</span>

[url=" http://www.w3schools.com/css/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_cursor" ]W3Schools - Cursor Options[/url]

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JNeill

 

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RE: RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 11:29:06   
Hi Bobby,

Thanks. The problem is if I link back to the same page, the collapsible list won' t open.

Also, I don' t know very much (as in nothing) about CSS! :(

Jereme


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RE: RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 11:32:19   
Hi Page,

Where would I put that code?

Sorry to be so ignorant, sure appreciate the help!

Thanks,
Jereme

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RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 11:34:28   
Right in your html...

<span style=" cursor:pointer" >Insert text here.</span>

Put the <span style=" cursor:pointer" > in front of the text that needs the hand cursor. Then put the </span> right after the text. Anything within the <span></span> will now show the hand icon.

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RE: RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 11:41:40   
Wow! This brings up another problem! The text that needs the hand cursor is in a shared border on the right side of the page. I can' t for the life of me find it in HTML!! Nor can I find any other text that' s in that border.

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RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 11:49:54   
I won' t work with Shared Borders, never have and never will. Someone else will need to provide some direction for you in modifying the borders.

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RE: RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 11:53:24   
Okie Dokie. Thanks for the code. I' ll try to figure out how to get it in to the border.

If you have a lot of pages that you want the same info on (such as navigation links), how do you accomplish this without shared borders?

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RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 12:00:01   
Include pages. Do a search on the forums here and you' ll find plenty of information on Includes. I think there may even be a tutorial floating around somewhere. Includes are a hot topic!

Good luck!

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RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 12:02:02   
J,

Copy the code offered above and paste it into Notepad or Wordpad, then copy to the clipboard. Open a page with the right border and click in the border, choose Advanced then HTML from the Insert menu. Paste.

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RE: RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 12:10:48   
Thanks Charles,

I did it and nothing exploded :), but still no hand when the cursor' s over the text.

Jereme

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RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 12:14:55   
Can you provide us with a URL for review?

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RE: RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 12:19:25   
OK

It' s a bit botched up right now, since I' m working on this collapsible list, so I don' t want to publish these changes to the actual url. I' ll publish it to another url.

Give me a few minutes....


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RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 12:20:58   
Here is a page to look at...

[url=" http://www.123seo.com/outfront/cursors.htm" ]Changing the Default Cursor[/url]

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RE: RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 13:20:50   
Here' s the url with my current changes in the right hand border:

www.pizola.com

You can see what I' m trying to accomplish. Some words will be hyperlinks, some will be headers to a list of hyperlinks. For example, Paint Sprayers is a hyperlink. Accessories is a header that when clicked on displays a list of hyperlinks. It' s this word " Accessories" that I want the hand cursor for so that users will know that it' s clickable.

The actual site is at www.universalpaintsprayers.com

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RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 13:28:01   
Hmmm, that link works fine for me. Shows a hand/pointer when I hover over it. When clicked, it expands to show the tree. I' m not sure what the question is at this point.

When I click the Accessories link, the tree expands to show three links. When I follow one of those, the tree is still expanded, the Accessories header is no longer linked but shows a hand cursor. This can be confusing to the surfer. I myself was clicking on it hoping to go back to the main Accessories page but that did not happen.

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RE: RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 13:31:48   
Well, I' ll be dipped!

I wonder what' s going on.......

It just shows a cursor line for me.

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RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 13:32:54   
Clear your history and delete all temporary Internet files. It sounds like you may have a cached page that you are viewing. What version of IE are you using?

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RE: RE: RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 13:35:50   
Still no hand.

I' m using 5.50



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RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 13:42:11   
That' s the problem right there. IE5.5 does not support the " pointer" element according to W3Schools.

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RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 13:48:25   
I think it is the term " pointer" that is causing the issue. Try this...

<span style=" cursor:hand" >Insert text here.</span>

...and see if that works for you.

The W3C does not show " hand" as valid markup but there are resources who indicate that " hand" is what they use.

[url=" http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/CR-SVG-20001102/interact.html#CursorProperty" ]W3C Cursor Properties[/url]

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RE: RE: Hand icon - 7/17/2002 14:09:55   
That did the trick!! Thanks very much!

Now I just have to figure out how to get rid of those bullets. When I go to format/bullets and numbering, and choose no bullets, I lose the collapsibility of the list.

I can figure out most stuff, but when FrontPage doesn' t do what it says it' s suppose to do, it throws me for a loop.

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