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ahammons
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Site critique - 9/5/2002 17:19:20
Hi,
Would someone check my site on a dialup both 28k and 56k and also suggestion for the " hot topic" box.
http://www.diademinc.com
Also welcome any other comments. Going to change the swish to flash. Swish and javascipt seem to have a problem with Netscape.
thanks,
arlie
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Gil
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RE: Site critique - 9/5/2002 18:53:19
I don' t have a modem or dial up, but it loaded kinda slow on a 968 DSL so I' d guess it to be slow on dialup. The ticking noise about drove me crazy while I was looking for a link - finally found the " enter" link and got yet another popup trting to get me to load something from Macromedia so I left.
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RE: Site critique - 9/5/2002 20:47:28
arlie,
I looked using IE 5 on a 56k dialup.
The first page took almost a minute too load and then when I clicked the enter button, the main page took just over two minutes to load.
I have no ideas for you except to speed things up.
Tony
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ahammons
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RE: Site critique - 9/6/2002 0:44:31
Thanks for the feedback. I did go and recompress the swish movies
default went from 168k - 62k
main went from 275k - 15k
Question, how accurate is FP when it reports time? The page view for the main page show 4secs at 56k.
page view for the default page shows 3sec at 56k
When I go to the reports->slow link it reports
main 85 sec and 14kb
default 54 sec and 11kb
???????????
Appreciate any other feedback. This is only my second web so I need and welcome everyones comments.
Thanks,
Arlie
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john40004
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RE: Site critique - 9/6/2002 21:05:17
Hi Arlie,
Looked at your site with IE 6.0 and a connection of 28.8 on 56K.
To be honest, were it not for the fact that you listed your site in the Site Critiques, I would have killed the load.
The home page took four minutes and thirty-five seconds to load. At approximately two minutes and thirty seconds, I received a prompt to download a Macromedia file, which I cancelled. I received the same prompt at four minutes and thirty seconds.
John
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RE: Site critique - 9/6/2002 21:55:44
Arlie, you CAN make the swf load faster, specially the second page, if you do a search on the net for caching flash movie, or another words, preloading html pages with flash in them by setting an instance on the main stage..... you could drastically cut down the graphics if you use fireworks and export for the web then close the optimized file and open it in FireWorks again, then drag and drop from FW to falsh, set it as a graphic and optimize more in flash ... that should cut the file down about half the size. also borrow and understand the flash detection from intrinsix.com, you' ll half to download the .js file with it and use it... while its decting you movie will load.... a half second here a many half seconds there and bammo, faster than using scliced graphics.
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ahammons
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RE: Site critique - 9/7/2002 17:47:14
Thanks for the suggestion. I did take your recommendation regarding the Fireworks to Flash. It has helped tremendously.
Put it back into FrontPage. FrontPage reports that no page is greater than 20sec on a 56k modem. How acurate is FrontPage?
Would appreciate if anyone else could test the speed.
Also welcome any other comments.
Thanks for your help.
Note, didn' t add flash detection script yet for those 5% that do not have Flash installed.
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Gil
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RE: Site critique - 9/7/2002 19:39:45
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How acurate is FrontPage?
Not very. I would not rely on it.
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Note, didn' t add flash detection script yet for those 5% that do not have Flash installed.
5%? I know of 42,000 in my company alone!
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ahammons
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RE: Site critique - 9/9/2002 10:05:53
Thanks for the reply.
I' m sorry to hear that your company has not embraced Flash. In some work places Flash may not be appropriate however, I still think that most users do have Flash. I recently installed Netscape 7.0 which includes the flash plugin.
Anyway, I would still like comments from other members in the forum.
Thanks again,
Arlie
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Gil
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RE: Site critique - 9/9/2002 17:26:15
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I' m sorry to hear that your company has not embraced Flash. In some work places Flash may not be appropriate however, I still think that most users do have Flash
Most " home" users probably so - Most corporate users probably not. It' s not the appropriatness, it' s the security issues.
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ahammons
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RE: Site critique - 9/10/2002 7:58:00
I really don' t want to debate whether you or your company has flash installed. I was just looking for feedback. Perhaps this board is not the right place. Lets just close the thread. I' ll try and find somewhere else to post.
Thanks,
Arlie
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RE: Site critique - 9/10/2002 8:56:21
I assume you have taken the page down? All I am getting is a page saying ' Welcome to the first page of the Internet' with no links or anything?
On FPs accuracy. The answer is, it depends. FP can only addup the load time of anything that is actually on the page. Thus in the case of a Flash or Swish movie it will only count the time it takes the HTML to load - it will not add in the time that the movie itself takes.
Similarly if you are using, say, an externally linked JavaScript that rotates images it will calculate the time for any images actually placed on the page to load but not any that are displayed via the JavaScript. Another example is if serverside includes are used, the content of the included pages will be ignored from a load time calculation. It handles FP included pages pretty well.
Having said that it is just a guesstimate at best, for one thing few people with 56k dial up connections ever actually get to connect at 56k, it is mroe likely to be at somewhere between 35 and 45k, which is the equivalent of adding between 15% and 25% to the load time calculated. Plus their are issues of the general speed of the network, taken to be optimal by FP but not always so in reality.
Its a useful estimate, that is all. The only way to really tell is to test.
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