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RE: extra space between tables - 9/13/2002 16:17:43   
POR -

correct me if I' m wrong, but couldn' t Mozilla be used to check this out and give some kind of similar rendering as a Mac browser? I thought I remembered reading that the Mac browser is based on Mozilla 1.0 (or is that coming soon?)

Anyway... it' s a free download if it helps any... (kind of fun to play with too!)


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RE: extra space between tables - 9/13/2002 16:25:19   
Bobby, I also test in Mozilla and have not had the same problems as with Mac IE5.1.

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RE: extra space between tables - 9/13/2002 22:15:01   
The <div> is a block element by default. Your inline styles were overriding the default value of the block element.

You are also specifying heights on all of your tables. This is fine with images, but if you are specifying height for white area and text content, there may be some issues. In fact, there will be some issues. That' s probably the balance of the problems that you' ve encountered or others have while viewing on the Mac in IE5.1. I' m not at the office this evening so I cannot check, sorry.

Unfortunately the browsers are not in unison with one another. Hence all the css hacks to build cross browser compatible sites. I' ve been sticking with very plain vanilla layouts that utilize mostly absolutely positioned <div>s instead of tables. Its very difficult for most of the browsers to thrash sites that are absolutely positioned. Oh, there are issues, but only if you delve into the gray area css. I provide two styles sheets, one for NS4.x and one for the rest of the world.

The changes you made so far have corrected some initial issues that I saw in NS4.78. There are problems in Opera, but the site is at least presentable. The main <div> is not centering, I' m not sure why. There are also gaps appearing again between your border lines. I think this is due to the table heights that are assigned to various elements.

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RE: extra space between tables - 9/14/2002 0:44:01   
POR - excellent feedback, as always :)

And thanks Lisa, that' s good to know... I just finished reading that it' s a new MAC browser that uses the MZ1.1 standard... not out yet. Something about it being better on OSX... :)

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RE: extra space between tables - 9/14/2002 0:58:22   
Yes, POR. Excellent feedback!! This is quite a job taking out all of those height statements and inline styles. I' m not finished yet.

About absolute div positioning...can you recommend a tutorial or a site with decent documentation? I' m just not sure how to set it up. FP adds it in style tags and with the width set to 750 and the div align set to center, the page does not center, it goes left. Hmm.

I still have so much to learn. It' s so overwhelnimg. I so greatly appreciate all of your help. You' ve been awesome!!

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RE: extra space between tables - 9/14/2002 10:00:10   
Katherine (abbeyvet) has an excellent tutorial on css here...

[url=" http://www.outfront.net/tutorials_02/adv_tech/css1.htm" ]Introduction to Cascading Style Sheets[/url]

I also visit the css tutorials at W3Schools here...

[url=" http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp" ]CSS Tutorial[/url]

In addition to the two above, the W3C has the last say in what works and what does not work. It is a bit overwhelming and not for the novice webmaster. The terminology and structure of the site are not for the average person! ;)

[url=" http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/" ]W3C - World Wide Web Consortium - Learning CSS[/url]

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RE: RE: extra space between tables - 9/15/2002 17:06:21   
POR, Thanks for the references. The first two you mentioned I frequently consult. The third, as you said it might be, is a little too much for me.

I' d like to assign numerical values to my divs, but not necessarily do away with the table structure. I' m not ready to code the entire site using css and do away with the tables.

You mentioned that you have done sites where the divs are positioned either absolutely or relatively. I' d love to view the source code to see how it' s done. Is it possible for you to send me a link?

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RE: RE: extra space between tables - 9/16/2002 2:20:46   
> Is it possible for you to send me a link?

View the source code for our SEO Consultants Directory. You' ll need to look at the external CSS files also.

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