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Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 19:33:46
Hello guys,
i' m in need of some help getting use to frontpage..I pretty much got the basics down pat but there are a few things..
1] Publish web option is never available to me.. Is there something I missed on the install? Also from what I gather if you use front page you can make changes directly to the pages on the server and have them updated without having to use IE or and ftp program to upload the files..Explain this please..but I guess it would help if I could have the option to publish..
2] When I create a form and upload it to my server it tells me this:
The requested URL /--WEBBOT-SELF-- was not found on this server.
Now I asked my host to install the extensions for me and they did..Is there something else I need?
here is the basic code that FP does for you and that I published to test:
<html>
<head>
<meta name=" GENERATOR" content=" Microsoft FrontPage 5.0" >
<meta name=" ProgId" content=" FrontPage.Editor.Document" >
<meta http-equiv=" Content-Type" content=" text/html; charset=windows-1252" >
<meta http-equiv=" Content-Language" content=" en-us" >
<title>New Page 1</title>
</head>
<body>
<hr>
<p>Tell us what you think about our web site, our products, our organization, or
anything else that comes to mind. We welcome all of your comments and
suggestions.</p>
<form method=" POST" action=" --WEBBOT-SELF--" >
<!--webbot bot=" SaveResults" u-file=" _private/feedback.txt" s-format=" TEXT/TSV" s-label-fields=" TRUE" s-builtin-fields=" Date Time REMOTE_NAME REMOTE_USER HTTP_USER_AGENT" s-form-fields -->
<p><strong>What kind of comment would you like to send?</strong></p>
<dl>
<dd><input type=" radio" name=" MessageType" value=" Complaint" >Complaint
<input type=" radio" name=" MessageType" value=" Problem" >Problem
<input type=" radio" checked name=" MessageType" value=" Suggestion" >Suggestion
<input type=" radio" name=" MessageType" value=" Praise" >Praise</dd>
</dl>
<p><strong>What about us do you want to comment on?</strong></p>
<dl>
<dd><select name=" Subject" size=" 1" >
<option selected>Web Site</option>
<option>Company</option>
<option>Products</option>
<option>Store</option>
<option>Employee</option>
<option>(Other)</option>
</select> Other:
<input type=" text" size=" 26" maxlength=" 256" name=" SubjectOther" ></dd>
</dl>
<p><strong>Enter your comments in the space provided below:</strong></p>
<dl>
<dd><textarea name=" Comments" rows=" 5" cols=" 42" ></textarea></dd>
</dl>
<p><strong>Tell us how to get in touch with you:</strong></p>
<dl>
<dd>
<table>
<tr>
<td>Name</td>
<td><input type=" text" size=" 35" maxlength=" 256" name=" Username" ></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>E-mail</td>
<td><input type=" text" size=" 35" maxlength=" 256" name=" UserEmail" ></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Tel</td>
<td><input type=" text" size=" 35" maxlength=" 256" name=" UserTel" ></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>FAX</td>
<td><input type=" text" size=" 35" maxlength=" 256" name=" UserFAX" ></td>
</tr>
</table>
</dd>
</dl>
<dl>
<dd><input type=" checkbox" name=" ContactRequested" value=" ContactRequested" >
Please contact me as soon as possible regarding this matter.</dd>
</dl>
<p><input type=" submit" value=" Submit Comments" >
<input type=" reset" value=" Clear Form" ></p>
</form>
<hr>
<h5>Author information goes here.<br>
Copyright © 2001 [OrganizationName]. All rights reserved.<br>
Revised: <!--webbot bot=" TimeStamp" s-type=" EDITED" s-format=" %m/%d/%y" -->.</h5>
</body>
</html>
Guys some help is greatly appreciated..
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 19:50:11
Ok the 2nd question you will need either a HTML, JAVASCRIPT, APS master... but the first one I can help you with.
You will have to create a page in Normal or edit the HTML and save it then the Publish page should come avalible. If it is not re-install Frontpage and try again, (don' t worry you will not loose any files because they are all saved on your host' s site.
If you need anything else just ask, i will be checking in.
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 19:52:05
PS. Dont forget if you are editing the form, inside the form properties there are value things, those are what clears forms and such!
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 19:55:13
Right I got all that about the forms..
I know there has to be some sort of script that the form post to..However I thought that frontpage generated this script with the extensions that had to be installed on my domain..So what is this WEBBOT that it is looking for?.Is that a certain script generator, what?.
Will give it ago with save and publish thing will let you know..
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 20:02:06
WEBBOT is the Key server thing. That is what makes the actions on forms run.
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 20:02:38
Ok cool I got the whole publish web thing down now thanks..Saving first was the key..
Now about these forms...
Anyone with ideas or tips or explinations as to what I need to get them working?
thanks alot scarynewbie..
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 20:17:17
I got this too, but what do you mean get them working, explain to me what kind of form you are trying to make and I will help you with my 11 year old brain.
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 20:21:49
No offense scary but the html for the form I created is posted above..you should be able to read the script and see that it is a simple feedback form..
Maybe this one is a little over your head..I just need to know what this WEBBOT is it' s looking for and how to resolve this problem..And if you don' t have the answer for my question concerning " What is WEBBOT" , then there is no sense in you wasting your time..
thanks for helping though, you' ve been great..
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 21:05:29
dont worry, i didn' t know that that was the form, i thought that was just a example of your webbot question.... Well about the form now, I can see it is a simple comment form it seems good, I don' t see what you need help with, all the code works together.... what do you need on the form side of it, if you could give me the URL I could look at the page a little better and help you with your question.
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 21:12:33
When you hit the submit button you get this error:
The requested URL /--WEBBOT-SELF-- was not found on this server.
And as you can see in the script that the form is posting to that url..It' s looking for this" WEBBOT" to complete the submission..In the html that FP creates it ads this line of script:
<form method=" POST" action=" --WEBBOT-SELF--" >
<!--webbot bot=" SaveResults" u-file=" _private/feedback.txt" s-format=" TEXT/TSV" s-label-fields=" TRUE" s-builtin-fields=" Date Time REMOTE_NAME REMOTE_USER HTTP_USER_AGENT" s-form-fields -->
Now I can easily get another script to run the submission as you suggested earlier..But theres a reason why FP is placing this" WEBBOT" in the script.. I want to know why..Is there another program called " WEBBOT" that creates the rest of the submission process or is there another extension called " WEBBOT" that needs to be installed to finish the process..
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 21:16:17
When you created your site, did you create a web first? File/new web, or did you just create the pages and save them to a folder on your hard drive? That' s the only reason I can think of for the publish option being grayed out.
A webbot is an application that runs on the server when you submit the form. Once you get your site published, your forms should be okay.
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 21:20:18
So as of right now I was just creating the form as a single page and uploading by itself to test..But your saying if I build say a two or three page site with the form inside and publish the whole thing that way the form will work correctly?
Assuming that I have my FP extensions installed to my domain..
Thanks will give it ago..
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 21:29:04
That was the key swirl thank you very much..Publishing the site rather than just uploading the file itself..
You guys have been great and response was quick..Will let my friends no if they need FP help this is the place..
Added to my favorites..
thanks again..
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 21:34:41
Hey one more question..Is there a way to create another admin form that I can use to read the input gathered from /feedback.txt..
Which is the txt file that FP writes the data to..
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 21:42:28
quote:
<form method=" POST" action=" --WEBBOT-SELF--" >
<!--webbot bot=" SaveResults" u-file=" _private/feedback.txt" s-format=" TEXT/TSV" s-label-fields=" TRUE" s-builtin-fields=" Date Time REMOTE_NAME REMOTE_USER HTTP_USER_AGENT" s-form-fields -->
Not sure what version of FrontPage you' re using but in 2002 right-click in the form. Select Form Properties, change the button to CGI and then click the Options Button. That' s where the ' webbot-self' is located.
I' ve been told several things about this.
#1. Problem with the .cnf file.
#2. Make sure that your webserver supports WEBBOT commands. Some do not.
#3. You need to put something in the ' action' to make it work correctly. Usually pointing to a cgi script that will send you the information via email. Something like action=/cgi-bin/emailform.cgi. I use to use something like that a long time ago.
#4. This may shed some light on your problem.
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/12/2002 23:52:09
I am going to try and give you a few basics that might help make everything said fall into place...
In order to use FPSE (FrontPage Server Extensions) effectively, you must follow a few guidelines....
- Ensure that FPSE are installed on the server before you start publishing files
- Do not use FTP (ftp://yoursite.com) but rather connect to PUBLISH via HTTP (http://yoursite.com)
- Ensure that you have CREATED A WEB on the server
Files need to be written to your " webspace" for the scripts/bots of FPSE to run in. The problem you were encountering with your FORM sounds like you had not created a WEB for the form to " interact" with, including the BOTS and SCRIPTS that I mentioned earlier.
To ensure that the FPSE will be handling your form - make sure that your FORM PROPERTIES are set correctly.
SEND TO: either provide a file name or an email address...otherwise if SEND TO OTHER radio button is checked...your form is going to be looking for another " independant" script. You can ask the WEBBOT to do other tasks for you by selecting the OPTIONS button.
So what I will suggest you do now is WIPE your server completely clean, ask your host to re-install FPSE. Open FrontPage, click on <<FILE>> <<NEW>> <<Page or Web>> then use the wizards from there. When you are ready to PUBLISH. Click on <<FILE>> <<PUBLISH WEB>> and connect to your site by entering http://yoursite.com, then your user name and password. For your first PUBLISH you will receive a message that states that FP can not find a web at http://yoursite.com, would you like FP to create one? Say yes! From this point on you should be a-ok.
Just remember that if you use FTP (File Transfer Protocol) to send your files to the web server, you run the risk of corrupting your FPSE; which to repair, require that you clean off your server, have FPSE re-installed and then re-publish your site. (It is a lot of work - but if you do it that way without trying to get away with short cuts...you often will run into less trouble.
Hope you find this useful...if I have confused you more....post again....we will get it figured out....
I knew I had this link somewhere ... check this out....you might find it helpful in understanding the difference between 2000 and 2002
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/13/2002 7:34:42
Further - to answer the rest of your question (now that I have a clearer head) about editing or making changes directly to your website.
Yes you can work LIVE on the server, when you want to do work on the site, open FP and then click <<FILE>> <<OPEN WEB>> and use http://yoursite.com as the web you want to open.
Alternatively, you may also navigate to your site within IE and then either click on the FP icon in your menu bar or click <<FILE>> <<Edit with FrontPage>>
Okay - I think I have done what I can to answer all of the questions you raised....if I missed something - let me know and I or I am sure someone else will be happy to help....unfortunately this posting got a bit long and " clouded" and it a bit difficult to " navigate"
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RE: Need some help please.... - 9/13/2002 7:41:57
quote:
Hey one more question..Is there a way to create another admin form that I can use to read the input gathered from /feedback.txt..
Which is the txt file that FP writes the data to..
If you' re just looking to make the information easier to read, you can go to the form properties, click on options and then select a format from the dropdown list. You' ll have to play around a little to find one you like.
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