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Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/20/2002 14:45:37
To all,
I hear that many older programs do not run anymore once you install Windows XP. Windows came in many platforms over the years:
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows 2000
Windows Mil
My question is, software developed from WHICH platforms are still safe once you install XP??? Or... WHERE is the line drawn in this list??? I' m hoping that Windows95 programs are STILL SAFE. [:j] Can anyone tell me if they are still safe???
Thanks for any info... 
LLL
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RE: Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/20/2002 15:04:47
Gil,
Wowwwwwwwwwww... What a list.... Great info source for EVERYBODY.
What language was the top of the page written in???
But I really need to know by platform. I have created some accounting programs for myself using Borland C++ Development Suite that targeted Windows-95 way back when. And I want to make sure that these large, intense programs are still runnable if I upgrade to XP. The list did not cover C++ development packages like Microsoft Visual C++ or Borland C++.
Would you have any info on that???
Thanks for the link.
LLL
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RE: Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/20/2002 19:09:30
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What language was the top of the page written in???
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Would you have any info on that???
Sorry, no. I think you' d have to unit test any custom developed apps.
I' ve seen very little C++ that wasn' t compatible, if written according to MS guidelines.
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RE: Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/21/2002 1:48:29
I have Visual Studio 6 EE, MS Office Developer and some other developer tools that have no problems with XP Pro.
Actually, none of the software I use had any problem with XP except a ProComm terminal emulator, but that didn' t work on 2K either.
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RE: Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/21/2002 10:33:11
Hi LLL,
I suggest that you install XP Professional on another computer and try all your software. Specially applications designed by you.
Also, before upgrading, go to the manufacturer sites of your accessories (scanner, printer, sound card ...etc) get the latest drive for XP. If the drive is not available, I guess it will not work.
While installing a software XP will give you an option if you want the software to run on old windows versions 2000. If you accept the program will be installed on XP. But I guess it will still give you problems.
XP Professional in itself is very nice, fast and problem free (most of the time).
Applications run remarkabley faster that older windows versions.
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RE: Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/21/2002 11:39:57
Doug,
That is GOOD news. Very encouraging.
You use Visual Studio 6??? I have that too. But I like the Objectwindows (OWL) aspect of Borland. But ONLY because it' s more OOP in design than the API - BUT a very GOOD product indeed. I like the VS6 editor window and tools. Some are easier than Borland.
Hisham,
Good advice.... It' s always smart to play it safe. Plus I didn' t even think about the hardware yet!!! I was only worried about software. But hardware is another important consideration to think about too.
XP gets you at every angle!!!
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RE: Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/21/2002 12:40:56
Hi LLL,
At the end it worths upgrading to XP. It is very nice.
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RE: Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/21/2002 13:14:47
Hi LLL,
Get the Professioanl edition not the home edition.
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RE: Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/21/2002 13:49:26
Hisham,
Yes, that is what I want. XP Professional
Cheers!!!
LLL
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RE: Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/21/2002 19:01:41
LLL -
I remember OWL :) I got Borland C v3 a LONG time ago, but didn' t stay with Borland.
If I had it to do over again, I would stay with W2K instead of updating to XP. I don' t need most of the XP enhancements to W2K, and there are some things in XP that seem like a step backwards to me. Specifically, file searches when I' m looking for a piece of a long code string in a source code file fail in XP but searching the same folder from W2K finds the appropriate files. It' s like XP has a length limit that it will look for substrings in.
And I haven' t figured out how to make Windows Explorer not be a " single-click" selection in the folder tree, which drives me nuts. In W2K if I click on a folder or disk name that' s collapsed, Explorer selects that folder or drive and displays the contents on the RH pane, but doesn' t expand the LH tree. In XP it always expands the LH tree when clicked. In addition, if you slip of the vertical scroller and click, in XP it selects the entry that is horizontal to your mouse, even if you are nowhere close to the actual folder name.
These bugs (features?) are probably not biggies for non-developers.
Today I' m trying to install XP SP1 on my laptop, 750+mb free, well above the 717MB needed ( http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q326583 ) and the SP installer still says " insufficient disk space" ! 700+ MB free space needed to install a service pack? Geez. I may be back with W2K sooner rather than later. :)
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RE: Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/21/2002 19:23:04
Doug G,
Wowwww... All those little bugs??? Sometimes it the littlest bugs that can drive you the most crazy. I can understand your unhappiness towards XP. Especially with your laptop and the installation problem. Your actually not the first person that has had this problem. I' ve heard other complaints. W2K was built on NT technology right??? You think this is better??? I do lots of work in the Explorer. Hmmmmmmmm.... I' m glad you posted. I was looking for some info on the downfalls of XP too.
Thanks,
LLL
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RE: Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/21/2002 19:31:52
Doug G.
I just came from the Microsoft site explaining installation memory requirements of SP1. I see they want 717 Meg PLUS an extra 30 Meg on top of that. There must be a memory checker that still requires a predetermined amount of memory free after installation for the system to work with -that your laptop does not have. Maybe for virtual menmory, clipboard memory, etc. But it also says that this memory is only temporarily required for installation. So I don' t understand why it is giving you such a problem. 750 Meg free and you still can' t install it???
That' s a shame.
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RE: Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/22/2002 13:21:14
XP SP1 finally installed once I freed up 1.1gb of disk space, but it was quite a pita. I didn' t save uninstall files, and once the SP was done installing the disk free space was about 30mb less than what I started with.
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RE: Upgrading to Windows XP - 9/22/2002 16:05:27
Mark,
I didn' t equate any thing stated in this thread as a " bug." Operational differences, yes!
I spend about half of my waking hours on a WXP Pro system that was installed ten months ago (a gift from Microsoft to the APCUG attendees at Fall 2001 Comdex), and the other half on my W2K system that I have used for the past 23 months. Frankly, I am no longer aware of the differences that were pointed out.
If either has bugs (programming errors), I am not aware of any. Both systems automatically download and install updates. My only knowledge of this is that I am notified the " to complete the installation, you must restart the computer."
Our computer club receives questions regarding old programs at almost every Koffeeless Klatch (like a coffee klatch, with out the coffee). These sessions are question and answer sessions. There are a significant number of CPA' s in the group and none have had problems running old DOS software on WXP Pro.
Hardware devices are the most likely source of problems. HP printers seem to be a big fallout, but it may be due to the larger number amoung our members. I had an old Conner tape backup system that was obsoleted due to Seagate not providing an updated driver. It is now on a system at the Computer Club' s lab, on a W98 system.
Backup is now automated through night time scheduling. W2K to a second hard drive on the WXP system, and WXP to a second hard drive on the W2K system.
I haven' t looked lately, but there used to be a program on the Microsoft site that you could download and execute that would point out real and potential compatibility problems.
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