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LB
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tips for newbies :) - 4/11/2001 13:40:00
What are some of the tips you wish you would have had when first using Frontpage?1) Use tables to hold your content. 2) Do not drag the edges of the table or cells. It often will mess up the math and not show correctly in Netscape (to fix, change the cell properties so they add up correctly for the width of the table) 3) Empty cells need to either be merged together, or put a small transparent gif in them to keep them open in Netscape. (some people use spaces; this isn't completely dependable but may work) 4) Don't use Frontpage hover buttons! They are not stable in Netscape. 
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MysticNight
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 4/13/2001 23:14:00
Stick to coding by hand! :P j/k5) Page transitions my look nice, but cause problems and increase page loading time. 6) Don't let me make you a background cause apparently I make some really bad ones. 7) Set FP to be compatible with 3.0 versions of both browsers. (just to be safe) 8) Invest all the money you can in to headache medicines. 9) Learn HTML if you don't already know it. 10) Don't get discouraged I'm sure I'll be back with me.
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capitao
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 4/13/2001 23:43:00
11 - it needs mentioming again - TABLES are the key to controlling how things look ... for me pixel widths are better than %ages12 - get NN and IE installed on your computer (find a friend with a Mac - it's a different world) 13 - set your browser background default colour to bright pink (picked that tip up in here) ... and then go and correct your mistakes 14 - remember you will NEVER know enough, and you will ALWAYS be learning 15 - don't be scared of frames, they can be very useful ... and only a little bit confusing 16 - look at your own HTML code and other peoples as a way of learning what goes on 17 - a LOT of people are still surfing at 800x600 pixels (more than any other res!) ... use the [file] menu, and then select preview in browser, set it to 800x600. horizontal scroll bars are BAD form 18 - TABLES ... you have control! 19 - a FP theme can be spotted a mile away ... be a little more adventureous 20 - surf a lot for inspiration 21 - navigation - it has to be intuative, the back button in a browser shouldn't be needed?!?!?!  22 - META tags ... are very important if you need to get hits from search engines 23 - conventional targetted magazine/newspaper advertising is a great way of gettting hits if your business/website is regoinal/local 24 - this forum is a great place to learn and share 25 - authoring accompanied by music - is a great idea 26 - authoring accompanied by beer - is not a great idea 27 - did I mention TABLES ------------------ nothing to do with the LA Lakers laker-media ... web design & photo solutions laker-images ... travel, abstract & social imagery [This message has been edited by capitao (edited 04-13-2001).]
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Gil
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 4/13/2001 13:23:00
- 28. Don't use "splash" pages, have at least 'some' content on your "Home" page.
- 29. Only use frames if forced and not on the "Home" page.
- 30. If you just have to add background music, give the visitor a way to turn it off.
- 31. Use "popups" sparingly.
TheHostFactory.NET [This message has been edited by Gil (edited 04-13-2001).]
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LB
Posts: 5549 From: Montana USA Status: offline
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 4/13/2001 13:47:00
quote: Originally posted by capitao: 13 - set your browser background default colour to bright pink (picked that tip up in here) ... and then go and correct your mistakes
To explain a bit more on this one: If your browser's default background is set to something other than white or gray, it will be easy to see when you haven't set a color for your page background. If you specify the background color on your page, you also need to set the text and hyperlink colors. You can leave all of these set to "automatic" if you want the viewers default colors to be used. Linda ps - #6) Busy backgrounds make it hard to take in the content of the site... nothing against your backgrounds in particular, MN!  ------------------ Ruby Marketing
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MysticNight
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 4/13/2001 13:59:00
13) VERY IMPORTANT IMO! Right up there with....uhh...oh yeah tables. My background is a pale, not web friendly and browsers would probably shoot themselve green. Not very commonly used color. Anyhow, sites like Yahoo! and a few others I can't remember have pages with backgrounds set to automatic. In other words. Common mistake. Help yourself out.
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Gil
Posts: 7523 From: North Carolina, USA Status: offline
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 4/13/2001 14:03:00
quote: Originally posted by MysticNight: 13) VERY IMPORTANT IMO! Right up there with....uhh...oh yeah tables. My background is a pale, not web friendly and browsers would probably shoot themselve green. Not very commonly used color. Anyhow, sites like Yahoo! and a few others I can't remember have pages with backgrounds set to automatic. In other words. Common mistake. Help yourself out.[/B]
Ahh, Yahoo's is NOT a mistsake, they haven't set any of the Body attributes which is fine. Just make sure if you set any (bgcolor) you set ALL of them....
------------------ Gil Harvey The Host Factory Resellers are our speciality "Is there another word for synonym?"
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MysticNight
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 4/14/2001 20:49:00
quote: Originally posted by Gil: Ahh, Yahoo's is NOT a mistsake, they haven't set any of the Body attributes which is fine. Just make sure if you set any (bgcolor) you set ALL of them.... [/B]
Ok, then I'm confused. On Yahoo there most of the pages have a white background, but others have a green background (my default color). Yahoo homepage is my default color, but like the Yahoo shopping has a white background. The login screen for the mail is defaulted, but the account itself and the logout confimation screen are white. I mean what if someone had black as their default background? Yahoo would be pretty much useless except for links and the few pages that have a specified background color.
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Gil
Posts: 7523 From: North Carolina, USA Status: offline
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 4/14/2001 14:28:00
quote: Originally posted by MysticNight: Ok, then I'm confused. On Yahoo there most of the pages have a white background, but others have a green background (my default color). Yahoo homepage is my default color, but like the Yahoo shopping has a white background. The login screen for the mail is defaulted, but the account itself and the logout confimation screen are white. I mean what if someone had black as their default background? Yahoo would be pretty much useless except for links and the few pages that have a specified background color.
Well, common sense would say IF someone set the background color to black, they would set text to a light color (white?) and so everything would be fine. The concept of the WWW is; each user has the ability to set a default color scheme or to accept the author's scheme. When an author or an user sets only a portion of the scheme they "break" the system. If you have your bgcolor set to green, what do you have for text, link, alink, vlink ? I haven't looked at all the pages at Yahoo, but from what you describe they use style sheets for "some" pages and not others - which is OK. I normally do not set any body attributes unlees I am using a style sheet (more & more) - who am I to tell you a background should be white if you've chosen green? BUT when I do set an attribute I set ALL of them... ------------------ Gil Harvey The Host Factory Resellers are our speciality "Is there another word for synonym?"
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 4/15/2001 23:27:00
32) Use animation only when it helps with the message.33) Break up text to make it easier to read and digest quickly. How long do you stick around a page with miles and miles of text unless you're reading a story? 34) Use tables for layout (but don't nest them too deep)
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capitao
Posts: 53 From: Guidlford Surrey United Kingdom Status: offline
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 4/16/2001 20:30:00
[list=35] learn from others be careful when chosing your font styles, if they don't have your font - they'll be seeing their default = times? create a testweb - and use it to try out new things - safer that breaking the ewb you're working on KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid ... simple design, few colours - will look elegant and be easier to manage The M word - most websites are alive, they need feeding and watering, alone with the occasional spring clean ... think about this during the initial design stages thin coloumns of text - like a newspaper - is easier to read than using 100% of the screen width ... tables again when you discover the wonders of merging table cells - please take a look at what you did in NN ... not quite so pretty (shame) learn from your own mistakes  [/list] that's #35-42 ... tests things out before you try and be clever ... and oh boy! learn from your own mistakes  ------------------ absolutely nothing to do with the LA Lakers laker-media | laker-images | laker-abstract | me [This message has been edited by capitao (edited 04-16-2001).] [This message has been edited by capitao (edited 04-16-2001).]
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Richard Sterling
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 4/16/2001 21:35:00
Lots of good tips there, but this one saved a lot of load time and confusion for me when I found it here.(A) When copying in text from anything other than notepad... right click> paste special> normal paragraphs with line breaks> (B) Single pixel gifs are our friends (C) LB is FP2000 guardian angel! (I gotta look into how to do those smiley faces) Rich
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davebukouricz
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 4/17/2001 21:45:00
Test, test, and test. Nothing will damage or destroy the credibility of your site faster than script that doesn't work, pages that aren't there, and graphics that take minutes instead of seconds to load.
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dth
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 5/2/2001 13:43:00
47? Keep a page of handy tips as tips.htm page in your website, so they're there when you need them. For example, * your Hex codes of your links/backgrounds * how to remove hyperlink underlines <style>a { text-decoration: none } - place in head * tricks and coding that you don't use often but want handy (if too many, start a binder) * even a hyperlink to the Outfront forums in case you need help! * your wife's birthday...  48) Backup, backup, backup - each publish in case you mess things up badly. 49) Recalulate and Verify hyperlinks often and fix any broken links 50) Use footer includes so you only have to change one file. Footers are good for main/secondary web section links and publish dates. ------------------ Denise Hendrix www.ternion.com FLAMES Simulation Framework
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gorilla
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 6/11/2001 20:22:00
51? Once I get past fingers and toes I get confused  If you have to use a java applet have the elementary cop-on to test it thoroughly. Otherwise send me the url to your site so that I'll know *not* to go there. ------------------ Hope this helps :-) Gorilla aka Mark Saunders http://www.computerdriving.com marksaunders@techie.com
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bbigham
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 6/30/2001 20:16:00
52. Pay at least as much attention to content as you do to appearance. Nothing ruins a site quickly than seeing:"We offer the most compleet serviece of any internet design company." 53. Bookmark this site and visit it often. ------------------ BARD Enteprises Writing & Editing Print & Electronic Media
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 9/7/2001 20:24:00
Ahhhh... here 'tis!
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Thomas Brunt
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 9/7/2001 20:23:00
54) Never give up.
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Reflect
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 9/28/2001 13:41:00
56) If content needs spidered by SEs only nest tables two deep, at three deep spiders won't see the content.57) Use include pages instead of shared borders 58) Discover good keywords for your sites theme ahead of time. Write content geared towards those keywords. 59) Never think you know everything, you'll stop learning at that very second. 60) Use external files for Javascript and CSS as making one change is better than making one hundred. Brian ------------------ Work hard, play fair, stay sane
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TimC
Posts: 199 From: Greenville SC (& or) Monterrey Mexico Status: offline
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 10/3/2001 20:22:00
61) Use folders "A LOT OF THEM" to organize your work, and use page "filenames" that are self explanatory - come back and try to fix a site 2 years later and you will see why62) Learning comes from experience and most of those were bad (Oh ok, Will Rogers wrote that one just for us Front-Page Users ) 63) [Not always] but often you can quickly map out a sites layout by creating all the pages using the navigator view. This works like a flow chart and even if you do not use the FP Navigation Bars, it forces you to design a more logical thought out site. If you start with a Home Page, right click on it, select "add new page" then before doing anything else, right click on the new page you just created and select "rename" it will create file names and titles that are the same as what you just labeled the Navigation box to say. I have created 300-500 page websites this way in a matter of hours where you have pages that are almost identical with minor variations between pages. [The only drawback to this method is its inability to use templates but this can be remedied I believe with "Vince's program" (which I keep meaning to buy) or by using Style Sheets.
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suzkaw
Posts: 161 From: North Carolina, USA Status: offline
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 10/11/2001 22:10:00
64. PRACTICE 65. PRACTICE 66. PRACTICEJust like any competitive sport Practice makes perfect. ------------------ SUZKAW [This message has been edited by suzkaw (edited 10-11-2001).]
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suzkaw
Posts: 161 From: North Carolina, USA Status: offline
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 10/11/2001 22:23:00
Just thought of another67. When starting a new site draw the layout on a peice of paper and then fold the paper in half. This way the top represents what shows on screen first then the rest comes below. just an idea 68. Get familier with the search button on the top of outfront.net It is wonderful!
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Guest
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 10/16/2001 16:19:00
When editing in normal view, as you know, hitting enter begins a new paragraph, but if you do a shift + enter, you can insert a line break. This keyborard shortcut is invaluable when working with lists.To put this tip to best use, edit with the "show all" button activated.
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jflower
Posts: 19 From: Longmont, CO USA Status: offline
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 10/27/2001 13:47:00
69. Don't use absolute positioning to place graphics in a table cell. Everyone else sees them out of place. Use "none", and it locks on relative to the cell.70. Don't use FP2002's text boxes to make hyperlinks for navigation. NN6 (and some other IE users) can't see them. Questions for capitao: What's the problem with FP themes? (#19) What's the problem with merging cells? (#41) I'm using a simple theme just to hold a banner, but I could eliminate it simply by putting the banner graphic in the top cell on each page. Should I do that? I've merged lots of cells in my site. I don't think I could find them all. If this is a problem, I will just have to go through the site making new tables to move the old content into. Thanks
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LB
Posts: 5549 From: Montana USA Status: offline
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 10/27/2001 15:45:00
Using a theme is fine, but that comment was suggesting not use the ones that come with FP. They aren't very good quality and are very overused.There's nothing wrong with merging cells. The person who suggested this must have had some other problem with his table properties. Linda
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Captain Swing
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 11/12/2001 20:36:00
quote: Originally posted by dth: 47?* how to remove hyperlink underlines <style>a { text-decoration: none } - place in head I tried that - It wiped out all of my text - thank god it was my dev page. I guess it's because I use a white font as defualt in my e-mail right now. Does anyone know a way around this - and not changing my font colour :-D
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TimC
Posts: 199 From: Greenville SC (& or) Monterrey Mexico Status: offline
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 12/9/2001 5:07:24
Lets take this back to the top of the page, It was about to dissapear into the great abyss called page 2 - now for the tips. Let See - I think we are up to tip 71 71: If you use FP server extensions then you better get on a first name basis with all the guys in tech support at your friendly server farm. They get frustrated customers calling and screaming at them all day long. It's amazing how much more helpfull they are if your conversation doesn't start with griping about the 30 or 60 minutes you just spent on hold. These guys can help save your hide and can be a great resource when exploring things like which realtime tech support chat services, merchant accounts, shopping carts are most stable or best bang for the buck. They even helped me find IPIX for virtual tour mobilehome photos. They see what works since they host an average of 60 to 150 thousand domains at each of the farms we currently use. 72: Who said this is for begginers - There is always something new to learn thus TimC's coralary to Murphy's Law -#1 The more I learn, the more I realize how IGNORANT I am. and the second coralary to the above - #2 Ignorant people don't know how dumb they really are. [hmmmm - Oops I think I just created an "infinite loop". - programmers will know what I meant] 73: Go back and re-read some of these topics frequently, Until you implement a trick you learned here on your own site 2 or 3 times, YOU WILL FORGET IT TimC Good things come to those who wait...<BR>. . but only that which was left by those who hustled" Abraham Lincoln Edited by - TimC on 12/09/2001 05:14:14
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puiwaihin
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 12/13/2001 17:56:30
74. Never use spaces in file names. You can get some weird errors that are hard to track down. 75. Keep it simple. Many times you can accomplish what you want with simple HTML. Sometimes it is better to sacrifice a little control for simplicity. 76. Keep it simple. Glitter and glamor can outshine your message. Make sure you keep images and effects in perspective. Make sure the first thing a visitor sees is the message you want them to see most. 77. In FP always PUBLISH your website instead of using ftp if you are using the FP server extensions. Using ftp on a FrontPage web can corrupt your extensions and cause all sorts of quirky problems. ---------- Who put the self-destruct button THERE?!
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Brobob
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RE: tips for newbies :) - 12/19/2001 23:14:32
I like to open a task item in FP and place the site's color codes and font names there for future reference. A few weeks late when I'm working on an image for that site, I can quickly find the color info in a to do item. Brobob Milk and Honey Farm
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